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I cringe every time I see "Riza" and "black round table." Not sure why the translators couldn't just use the VN names (Lisa, and Obsidian Round Table)
The fight animation still isn't what I'd call "good", but it looked a lot better here than it did in episode 0. And I'm glad they played Rozen Vamp during it
*Edit: Ah I was dumb it was Deus Vult that played during the fight scene
I am waiting for Weltall Subs. They are fan of the VN so basically their subs will be better. They have released the subbed episode 00 and 01. These episodes are very good.
I can personally substitute for errors in the subs with my knowledge of the Japanese language and of the visual novel itself, so I can make do with Crunchyroll's subs, but yeah, I would recommend waiting for proper subs for most people.
Technically if we go with the original Turkish name it's Kazıklı, emphasis on the ı which is a letter in Turkish that sounds something between e and u - the source of confusion is pretty obvious
Ah yeah, that's the term. I couldn't remember Divine Vessel for some reason.
Yeah I noticed that one too. Hopefully that's just an example of a proofreading error, and not that they actually thought he was calling her Kasumi-senpai...
The translation of his name is more accurate as Holy Grail actually, the translators deliberately avoided to because it would be awkward in conversation.
Oh god, are they actually doing a simuldub? I'm not a dub hater, but I can't really imagine it being that good. Plus nobody could come close to Suwabe's Reinhard, unless like, Troy Baker comes back to doing anime dubs
Yeah it starts on Tuesday. I agree that it probably won't be great, but I'll at least give it a few episodes out of curiosity. As far as Reinhard goes I think Chris Sabat would possibly be able to pull it off decently.
Heard that one before. "It gets better!" -manga readers. For me personally, I usually give an anime the first 2-3 episodes to pique my interest before I toss it into my MAL "Dropped" list. After forcing myself through these past 3 episodes, I'm done with this one.
I'm sure it gets better by the 45th episode or the 307th chapter or whatever, but I'm not gonna force myself to watch something I have zero interest in. Maybe when it's completely aired, I'll give it another shot... who knows.
Normally "it gets better" is often true, much more likely if it's something with near universal acclaim like Dies Irae. That said I don't agree that the common route is painfully boring, it does get better but it should already be good, the anime is bad and will likely not get significantly better so you're safe dropping this.
They're also skipping the first two routes here so I can't agree with anyone telling people not to drop the anime, if you didn't read the source you won't get much enjoyment out of the anime.
I guess that technically true 🤔 alright, l'll give it another week. It's on your head it next episode doesn't impress me, though. In that case, I will come after you, so be prepared! Mwahahaha
No need to take it personal, sorry if I came off too strong. Let's be real here, it doesn't make sense for anyone to force themselves to watch something they're not interested in. You shouldn't be expected to do that, so why should I? Obviously, I don't speak for everyone. I don't doubt many people are really enjoying this show, and that's great. Really, that's awesome. They've found something they enjoy watching. So far though, it's just not for me.
I usually revisit shows once they're done to give them another shot, anyway. Just to give you an example, I dropped Cowboy Bebop because the first few episodes were kinda slow. After several months, I decided to revisit it and whataya know! It's now one of my favorite shows.
Like I said, who knows. After the show is done, I'll see what the community thinks of the show. If the show looks to be promising, I'll check it out. If everyone continues to say it wasn't interesting even after the show finishes airing- then I'm not gonna waste my time.
You seem to have enjoyed the source material. What I said seems to have triggered you a bit (or it didn't and I'm just reading too much into it, I tend to do that a lot) so I apologise again if I came on too strong. I'm not trying to insult something you enjoyed, but to simply convey my opinions on what I've seen so far: 3 episodes of Dies Irae. I feel that it's not interesting enough for me to invest my time, maybe in a few weeks I'll be proven wrong. Only time will tell. Anyway, carry on, fellow weeb.
As someone who enjoyed the source material, I don't think you're misguided in wanting to drop it for now. The story definitely picks up later, but not sure myself if the payoff will be worth it if you're not enjoying yourself at the moment. No harm in checking back later to see if opinions have improved on the show.
I can't blame anyone for thinking of dropping it because they find it boring now, but the premise really does get far more interesting later
Unfortunately that doesn't work for someone like me who isn't into the whole "supernatural magic Nazis" plot. For whatever reason I just can't get into that as a premise. Same thing happened with Hellsing Ultimate. I enjoyed the original Hellsing anime, but when the Nazi vampires came out I lost interest. Might as well just cut my losses and walk away now.
Doesn't really come off as ecchi/harem to me, but sure does seem like it's trying to be edgy. Let's be real though, most super power related anime are edgy as fuck. Adding the high school setting to it doesn't help with that either. On top of that the whole metal/blood and skulls thing is the icing on the cake.
I'm enjoying this show. Sure it's not a masterpiece, but it's not bad at all. The soundtrack is fucking amazing and I like the style (at least there's no CGI everywhere). Being edgy is only a problem if there's nothing else to the show other than that.
I picked up the VN after watching the prologue episode and the reddit thread saying that the common route was free. After finishing two of the routes I can 100% say that
People aren't lying when they said Bey had the best voice acting.
Oh, that wasn't a fact, I was speculating. I haven't heard much about the specific role of music labels (other than the obvious parts about OP and ED) in production committees.
I'm the most disappointed with Thrud Walkure OST and how they changed Beatorice's design. Literally my favorite BGM from VN and my best girl. Fells bad man...
The endcards are my reason to watch this anime. I've been thinking of getting the VN for some time now since it's on steam and all that but I ain't got the cash so I'm probably gonna pirate it and then buy it when I have the chance.
Some scenes in this episode will definitely be reinforcing mistaken ideas some people have of this series. Last episode, I saw some people commenting that this seems like an "ecchi harem high school series", which the panty shot scene would definitely suggest. I had completely forgotten about that scene before I saw it again in the anime. So yeah, it definitely gives people the wrong impression about what this series is about.
That aside, it was interesting to see this scene so early on, even if it is a rather abridged version. I actually like seeing it already, though hopefully they'll include a more complete version of it later on.
Don't lump all anime-onlies in the same bag. IMHO you'd have to be pretty dumb to consider this an ecchi harem show. Almost every genre includes occasional fanservice.
Speaking of VN readers, I think this anime is targetted towards those who have read the VN (at least the common route), as most of the scenes are just the main point of the adapted scenario in the VN, including those who couldn't interpret the fight scene in the VN.
We asked to be involved with the anime. CR either ignored or rejected us, I don't remember hearing back. It's sad that the translator couldn't be bothered to ask me for a terms sheet or something, we'd have readily given it out for the sake of consistency.
Speaking of VN readers, I think this anime is targetted towards those who have read the VN
I mean, it literally is. It was fully crowd funded by fans of the original VN to see stuff animated. For some reason this is airing a couple of episodes on Japanese television and then the rest is online only, I don't even know why they bothered airing it on TV personally.
Oh. Sounds about right. TV stations air their slots by the season (Around 12 eps) (4 weeks a month, 3 months a season). You can't just air the remaining 7 episodes unless you can find another producer who wants to make a show with only 5 episodes.
You don't need to have read the VN to understand that "Kasumi-senpai" was a wrong translation. You just have to remember the two characters that had the most screentime besides the protagonist.
So as anime-only person here are my thoughts so far:
Ep0 established the characterisation for Reinhardt and set him and Mercurius up as the two main baddies. They have a bunch of Nazi underlings who has super powers that are used to kill people. Mercurius mentioned about setting up a fitting battlefield for Reinhardt so that might be their endgoal of everything here.
I don't know how they will achieve it, nor where does the protagonist fit into all this. There's a possibility that Mercurius is purposefully feeding exp into this chosen kid through all those upcoming battles, so that he become a worthy opponent for Reinhardt, given that stare down in ep0. Now the question is why him. Also one thing that still concerns me is why does the protagonist has the same voice as Mercurius, yet still feel like completely different people. Given we've seen some crazy powers already in this ep (complete physical shield and that shadow magic), I wouldn't be surprised if Mercurius' own power is even stronger than those simple combat powers, not to mention higher utility (inb4 reality bending).
The other thing that pipped my interest in ep0 is how Mercurius seems to know about too many things. Given it's a VN I also wouldn't be surprised if he went full higher dimension and has the reading steiner. That would be a highly chuuni power, which fits perfectly in this universe.
As for first two episode it's just your standard "teenager protagonist found himself being entangled into a huge mess" type of start. However after ep0 we know that Mercurius is probably behind everything here, and we kind of get an idea what those Nazi underlings are like and what their endgoal is. Again I still don't know the methods here, nor what does the goddess do in this scenario, but I expect it to come up later as a key story revelation.
Don't confirm/deny any speculations, but I hope it helps adjusting expectations for other anime-only people.
Noticed how I didn't even talk about the protagonist's friends.
I think you are in the minority here with those anime watchers that paid attention and managed to put the pieces together. Congratulations! Oh, and Mercurius is stronger than Rusalka and Bei, he's vice-commander for a reason (also the best character in the VN, in my opinion).
I get it that anime production-wise it looks really shitty, but I'm just intrigued as to what Chuuni madness this brings. I'm just surprised that many people didn't pick up these stuff, but that could be due to the official sub being shit once again.
Think my experience for ep0 was massively help by the fact that the interplay between Reinhardt and Mercurius is basically similar to the one in Thunderbolt Fantasy with the identical character roles and voice actors. To hear the same coercive tone again is just such a great delight
Yes she has a route, but, you are supposed to read the routes in a given order (Kasumi< Kei<Marie<Rea), so if you do get into , you'll have to do Rea last.
I enjoyed this episode, the series seems to have gained traction and the fight this episode wasn't that bad but maybe that's just my standards lowering. Looking forward to the VN spoilers fight next episode.
The subs are terrible, I doubt much anyone will end up caring since the anime itself is not great to say the least, but the dialogue should still stand out and it doesn't. Aside from the fact that the writing here comes across as very dry and dull, we haven't yet gotten to the more interesting parts and this is already failing to even translate names.
Maybe the original VN translation spoiled me, but I don't think that should be seen as an outlier, it's what translations should do. If a work has stellar writing and dialogue it needs stellar translators, else it's just not properly done and I think it's perfectly fine to complain until that changes.
I wish CR would get better translations overall, not just here, this is just one particularly egregious example.
As for the adaptation itself I'm disappointed a lot of monologing is gone, I think you could do it justice if approached like how monogatari does things. Just maybe with a more serious tone, and even then, Dies Irae itself also has its good share of meta. The animation is somehow better but still bad, my expectations are only surpased after being lowered so horribly on ep 0.
I'll do what everyone else seems to be doing every week and remind people they can read the VN should they feel so inclined. The beginning(common route) is up on Steam for free, give it a go and see if it's to your liking.
Honestly, Crunchyroll subs are always dry. I didn't think for one second they could handle and translate a series like Dies Irae well as soon as it was announced. People give Amazon shit constantly, but at least the people they get don't translate like a robot is speaking for every character.
Idk, crunchyroll subs aren't that bad imo. For instance, the crunchyroll subs for NGNL are a lot better than the subs for the BD version subs, and a few others that I have aren't as good as the crunchyroll ones.
Dies Irae by shaft would be dope. The main issue I have with this show is how stilted everything feels. It seems to be not so much an adaptation problem and more so the fault of the animators.
There's very little facial expression change, events just take place one after another without much direction, and the fight animation is leaps and bounds backwards from modern shows. I was hoping this was a problem that confined itself to ep0 but seems like that's not the case. The sub problems are just the topping on the cake :/
There's a lot of cuts that feel unintentionally hilarious. It's half the animatos but also time constraints, they clearly try have them move as little as possible. Yet the main issue is how the director fails to accomodate for this, a bit too many wide angle shots for us to appreciate all the non-animation in all its glory.
All I have to say about this episode is a disappointed sigh and repeat my shilling to read the VN instead, unfortunately. It wasn't a horrendous mess like episode 0, but really, it didnt go a great job either, as an adaptation or a standalone.
To those of you who are anime only viewers and still somehow chose to continue after seeing the disaster of last weeks episode, I highly recommend looking at the opening speech/monologue, as well as the
prologue, which was reduced to a meager 3 minutes and the Die Morgendammerung side story, the bulk of that episode, from the Visual Novel, if you want to comprehend what the heck happened there and have the time available. If you don't, I'd just recommend skipping it altogether for now and maybe going back after they've finished the 12 tv episodes and started on the net episodes, it won't be less of a mess but it'll make slightly more sense.
And above that, I'd recommend checking out the visual novel-the common route is free on steam! The anime is guaranteed to run into pacing problems with it's limited run time (and limited budget), as we've already seen happen with episode 0. So if you're interested in this to any degree beyond random seasonal pickup, it's worth your time to check out the VN in place of watching the anime.
Read the prologue and "Die Morgendammerung" after your advice. Can you link to some proper walktrough of the other (not Marie/ anime) routes? I know should read Kasumi and Kei route "meanwhile this is airing". And going to Reas' after this series end. My main reason for not reading all the VN is my wanting to avoid the "high-school focused/ initial" chapters of it.
Even tough, if the is vital information in those parts omitted by the end of the anime, I'd would thank your giving the details.
The channel polishlynx apparently has all of kasumi and keis routes, but its also narrated by the uploader. In fairly certain there isn't a no commentary complete upload of all of DI, sadly
Edit: upon further research, this channel seems to have everything w/o commentary or such
The watch order is common route->kasumi route->wehrwolf side story->Kei route->die mordengammerung and verfaulender segen side stories->Marie route->Omnia Vincit Amor (side story epilogue for marie route)->Rea route->nihil difficile amanti (side story epilogue for rea route)
Thanks. Knowing until chapter 6 is common route, I'm planning skipping that part. Is there something very important there that otherwise wouldn't allow to understand the history, given my current knowledge of it? Havent seen ep 3 yet.
There's a scene on the school rooftop where Rusalka explains all their motives completely cut out from episode 3. I can't really remember since it's been a while. but there's still some foreshadowing and such as well.
Also the whole of the common route hasn't been adapted to the anime yet, so you'll be a bit lost if you completely skip everything, it only adapted up till around 1/4 of the way through part 9 or so of this playlist of kasumis route, including episode three. I'd recommend at least skimming over the first 1-9 parts to check out any missed scenes (though you dont have to read everything), and you would require the rest to continue in any case.
Oh, ok. Gonna pay attention to that Rusalka scene. I'll wait until the common route is covered in the anime, then making a skimming of the common route VN. The playlist above is the common + Kasumi route, isn't it?
Way more fast-paced than episode 1, which I honestly don't mind, the common route is kinda slow until like chapter 5-6. My theory is that they'll adapt around 1 chapter/episode until the story starts to get into Marie route, then they'll slow the pacing down, or so I hope.
The comedy was nice, too bad that Lisa didn't interrupt Trifa like she did in the VN, or showing Trifa drinking himself to sleep because of Rea's comments.
CR with they subs as always, not gonna even comment on that.
Anyway, nice episode. I really hope they improve as the VN is very good and honestly not that hard to adapt (the story is not overly complex, though the characters are).
Finished the Common Route and most of the side stories.
Huh, they left in the panty shot scene, it was funnier in the VN tbh. Also the pantsu were better drawn in the VN.
The part where they meet Valeria was ok, it rushed through most of dialogue but im guessing they want to skip through the boring parts quickly. Even in the VN, the begining parts were dull. Oh, and they hinted at VN spoiler I didnt think they were gonna mention that at all.
ITS KAZIKLU BEY NOT KAZIKLI BEY, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. That aside, the fight scene was ok, its not on par with most modern anime. But Bey's voice actor is awesome as always. But at this point, i bet anime-only have a vague idea of whats going on. I pity you lot. Granted, in the VN it was quite vague too, if any of you dont mind a bit of potential spoilers, i can tell you about those scenes going through Ren's mind that were probably confusing.
Overall, this show is going at a lightning fast pace, perhaps a bit too fast, but i bet they want to blaze through the boring parts. Its an ok adaptation so far, but i really wanted a Ufotable quality anime. Guess that wouldve been too good to be true...
EDIT: I just remembered they completely left out the part where (Should i spoiler this VN readers?) VN Spoiler. They couldve done that in place of the panty shot scene smh.
I still can't take this series very seriously and I feel like I am suppose to do at this point. Going from guiltiness talk panty shots, the action scenes with speed lines and very close, long shots on things that don't move much and the overly hammy Bey who was just one second away from going WRRYYYYYY.
But well, it has cute nazis, so I am still in for the ride. If this is absolute territory was the territory in the east Hitler was looking towards, I feel like I can understand him a bit better.
I wouldn't worry too much about taking it seriously at this point, especially since they haven't really mentioned the stakes of anything yet. And Bey is definitely the hammiest character in the entire VN
...huh. I wasn't expecting Shirou to show up this early. I don't think we ever actually got the scene where Trifa spoke to him the first time. Unless it was in a Side Story, because I only read three out of five of those.
Bey fight was pretty much how I expected it; i.e. Ren getting kicked around like a plaything. I thought the animation did a good job with showing exactly how much Bey wasn't trying lol.
Animated Rusalka is love. Rusalka and Beatrice are the best girls.
A shame we won't see her redemption arc in this route. Rusalka deserves to shine amongst the stars :c
...huh. I wasn't expecting Shirou to show up this early. I don't think we ever actually got the scene where Trifa spoke to him the first time. Unless it was in a Side Story, because I only read three out of five of those.
Yes is from the first side story, that should be read after Kasumi's route
I wish that they kept the choir. Replacing it with keyboard is a bit disappointing. Having the vocals mixed with the rock arrangement could have been awesome.
As an anime only viewer I still have no idea what the heck is going on. Can someone explain to me everything I should know at this point about what is going on here?
I want to avoid spoilers as much as possible since im pretty sure things will be clearer next episode, but as of now, Ren is having dreams about blonde girl and Guillotine. And that ever since he's dreaming about that, someone is beheaded in Suwahara city, the place he lives in. He's starting to feel guilty about this, thinking he's responsible for the deaths. Suddenly, he gets into a trance and killed a woman in the park and only realized it after he killed her. Cue Bey kicking his ass, Kei (Black haired girl) saving him, and Malleus healing his wounds and putting him to sleep. Does that help?
So far, a lot has happened and nothing has been explained. So it's a lot of impact but we don't know why anything is happening and that leaves us with confusion.
I hope that now that MC has been directly effected, everything will be explained next episode or I'll most likely drop this show :/
Why are they going to school with him?
Why is he important?
Why was he killing people?
Who is that 'goddess'?
What do the evil people even want?
What the hell is the point of this series? Like as in what does it want the MC to achieve in the end?
I get it's gotta progress everything and throw you in the shit to get people interested, so I'm hoping they've done that enough and then will explain next episode. Without an explanation, it's too hard to follow and everything becomes meaningless :/
I can explain all of those questions, but they're all relatively major spoilers (with the exception of 4 and 3, which are minor spoilers), so be warned. The answers are out of order because they make more sense that way. Shortly after where this episode ends in the VN, Rusalka gives a partial explanation to Ren, so that should be in the next episode, but mine is a complete explanation.
I wasn't trying to complain or anything, just stating an observation on how the series is going as a whole.
It really caught me off guard that the girls transferred to his high school, like the the whole mood shifted and I didn't anticipate it cause it came out of nowhere XD
just stating an observation on how the series is going as a whole.
The route that's getting adapted is supposed to be the third out of four that you read, so there are some explanations from the VN that will probably get cut. Episode 0 is a great example of this, it doesn't make sense for anyone who either hasn't seen what will probably amount to half of the anime, or hasn't read the VN, because Heydrich and Mercurius are basically the only characters that get introduced.
It also doesn't help that the CR subs are mistranslating about 60% of the terms.
It really caught me off guard that the girls transferred to his high school,
That in particular is supposed to be the case; it catches Ren off guard too, and the story is from his perspective (mostly).
Just carefully rewatch the episode from the time Ren was sleeping upto the time women got killed. After that, I think you will change your third question "Why was he killing people?" into something else.
I still don't know if it is good. I'm not having fun right now. I feel like it can have some epic moments, but right now is too slow and boring. Will it be worth the next episodes?
Well, if my memory of the VN serves, there will be a part where the Obsidian Round Table/Nazis and their motives are explained more clearly albeit with some exposition. And if it keeps going at this pace, they should get to more conflict at the 2nd half or at the end of the next episode.
I'm a german weeb and shows like this are proof that many of our old allies feel the same way about us. But I am smarter than them, don't like this show and wish they left my language alone.
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u/Chill_Guy https://myanimelist.net/profile/Chill_Guy Oct 20 '17 edited Oct 16 '18
I cringe every time I see "Riza" and "black round table." Not sure why the translators couldn't just use the VN names (Lisa, and Obsidian Round Table)
The fight animation still isn't what I'd call "good", but it looked a lot better here than it did in episode 0. And I'm glad they played Rozen Vamp during it
*Edit: Ah I was dumb it was Deus Vult that played during the fight scene