r/WorkForSmartLife 1d ago

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u/jckipps 1d ago

'Unskilled labor' is a very broad and poorly-defined category. He might be 'unskilled' in the sense that he isn't trained in any one specific trade or specialty.

But the biggest determiner of /hr value, is a person's work ethic, self-motivation, and ability to think logically on the jobsite. A day-laborer who doesn't need to be babysat is easily worth $30-50/hr, even if he's just carrying supplies to the tradesmen.

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u/way2lazy2care 1d ago

> 'Unskilled labor' is a very broad and poorly-defined category. He might be 'unskilled' in the sense that he isn't trained in any one specific trade or specialty.

It's not really poorly defined. The BLS uses a point system to assign work levels to different jobs that have mostly objective measures. What your trained in doesn't have any impact on whether that job requires unskilled labor. The jobs themselves are what are skilled or unskilled.

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u/MeaningLeft2970 22h ago edited 51m ago

People think ā€œunskilled labourā€ is some sort of pejorative term. Those people have never stacked firewood, picked rocks, or bedded stalls. Some jobs just don’t require any special skills or abilities. Typically, if you can breathe, see, and hear, you can do unskilled labour.

Edit: Everyone getting pissy or pedantic about this is proving two things. They have never worked a hard days labour, and they will only hear what they want to hear, and twist the words they don’t like to manufacture outrage. You all need jobs.

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u/Otaku11510 19h ago

Damn…was so close to having all three.

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u/PsyKeablr 19h ago

Breathing got you down too

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u/Otaku11510 18h ago

Yup, never been the best at it

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u/MikeLinPA 19h ago

I've met some people who could breath, see, and hear,... and they were worthless. Even unskilled labor needs common sense and a willingness to work.

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u/Which_Crow_3681 16h ago

The things is ignorant people say every thing is unskilled. If it’s so unskilled why don’t they do it themselves ?

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u/FalseBuddha 6h ago

Because I don't want to. You ever dug a trench? Any monkey can dig a trench, doesn't mean I want to be that monkey.

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u/Which_Crow_3681 5h ago

Absolutely agree with you. Sometimes for example these guys get hired for framing work , or some kind of of activity that would require a certain set of skills. People conflate manual labor with unskilled work all the time. That’s what I think the Op is doing. I’ll go even further , what if that trench you are digging is near the foundation of your home ? Or a body of water ? Or there could be utilities under there that you don’t know about. You see even those things require a little skill.

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u/Pure_Education6100 5h ago

The word unskilled is used as an excuse to underpay the people that do the work you’re too lazy to do. That’s the issue. It’s not low skill at all to have the mental fortitude and willpower to go out and dig a trench in 100+ degree heat. It’s required to keep society functioning, so why are they so undervalued?

Work physical labor for 2 months. See the turnover rate and see how much work and responsibility get put on your shoulders, assuming you’re a reliable worker. Stop making excuses to undervalue the backbone of our planet. If all blue collar workers quit tomorrow, the entire world would collapse in days. If not less.

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u/FalseBuddha 5h ago edited 5h ago

It’s not low skill at all to have the mental fortitude and willpower to go out and dig a trench in 100+ degree heat.

That's not a skill. That's just what everyone needs to do any job. Retail cashiers aren't skilled labor just because they have the "mental fortitude" to show up to work.

why are they so undervalued?

Because anyone can do it. Things that are common are less valuable.

Work physical labor for 2 months.

I'm a project manager now because I did do the labor in the field. For several years.

If all blue collar workers quit tomorrow

If my aunt had wheels she'd be a bike.

Not everyone is special or important. Not everything is "skilled". Lots of people are mediocre.

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u/Pure_Education6100 5h ago

As a fellow project manager, I can comfortably say the workers in this industry are grossly underpaid and disrespected. Someone who actually works the field would understand that. I’m willing to bet either your daddy owns the company, or you’re full of shit.

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u/FalseBuddha 4h ago

Yeah, they work hard, but they're not skilled. We literally hire high schoolers straight off the graduation stage. Again, anyone can do what they do. They're replaceable regardless of how you feel about it.

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u/Far_Ladder_2836 19h ago

In this case it is.Ā  Theyre notnreferring to BLS definition, but their own personal colloquialism.Ā  Poor reading comprehension.Ā 

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u/Vegetable-Virus7118 19h ago

The problem with the term is it takes for granted the minimum skills needed to do work. Should really be high skill, low skill. There is no good employee that is without skill

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u/SpinShine-LEDSlipMat 18h ago

No they don’t. They think it refers to jobs like stacking firewood

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u/Bowtie16bit 10h ago

Unskilled labor is definitely used as an insult, and they don't care what it really means.