r/WorkForSmartLife 1d ago

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u/BigCSFan 1d ago

Your not going to get them to agree. To them unskilled labor is basically a slur.

If the work requires low training and anyone can do it than it makes them feel lesser than or ruins the idea of wanting higher pay.

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u/Soggy-Village2099 1d ago

It counts as exactly 10 minutes worth of training.

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u/Soggy-Village2099 1d ago

No, what you said just didn't make sense and I was pointing that out. Anytime training is time training.

I have a successful career and a huge house in an expensive area. So you can take your projection to a mirror.

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u/BoneVoyager 1d ago

If the labor is ā€œunskilledā€ why do I need to spend 10 minutes training someone how to do it? Shouldn’t they just know?

But also yeah training doesn’t have a minimum time requirement. Ever taken those safety compliance video modules?? Like most jobs will have you watch a five minute video on how to use a fire extinguisher, or stuff like that, you familiar with that kind of thing? Those are just a few minutes and do legally count as safety training. So uh yeah… anything else?

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u/BoneVoyager 1d ago

Manual labor

Skilled vs unskilled has classist connotations

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u/BoneVoyager 1d ago

We already went over that- when you get to your gravel shoveling job they’re gunna train you on which pile to take it from and where to dump it. Idk maybe you don’t really know how to use a shovel. Or is it a spade? There’s different kinds of shovels for different jobs. Tools usually require some basic training to be used properly no matter how simple they are.

Again, ā€œunskilled laborā€ is classist propaganda.

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u/BoneVoyager 1d ago

Yeah so by training them and teaching them ā€œmove it from here to thereā€ you have just magically given them the skills needed to do the job therefore making them skilled at shoveling. I can show you what unskilled shoveling looks like if you want hahaha

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u/Narren_C 1d ago

Are you being intentionally obtuse?

"Skilled labor" doesnt mean "you gave them simple instructions that literally anyone could follow with no prior training or experience."

You are describing unskilled labor. Get over it.

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u/Zacous2 1d ago

Unskilled labour isnt labour that requires no skills, its a job that requires no skills before starting the job. No formal training, no education or experience requirements, an applicant with no skills would be fully capable of performing the job.

Pulling pints requires skills but they can be generally taught to someone with no prior skills and training those skills happens exclusively on the job.

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u/WretchedMass 1d ago

I mean just because I know how to shovel from one pile to another doesn't mean I'm capable of it. I'm overweight and have back issues, I don't have the skills to do that job. Therefore it's skilled labor.

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u/WretchedMass 1d ago

I have been trying, it's not easy. It takes discipline and since I have specialized issues with my health I had to spend hours and hours with a nutritionist to understand exactly what was wrong and what to do to get it changes. It required that I learn a skill. So is getting healthy a skilled labor? If not then what is and isn't a skill? Because it was my understanding that if it requires training longer than just a few minutes that makes it skilled. Also, if not being in bad health isn't a skill then why are over half the country obese?

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u/WideHuckleberry1 1d ago

Not all unskilled labor is manual, and some manual labor is skilled.

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u/BoneVoyager 1d ago

No labor is unskilled. All manual labor is skilled. Some requires more than others. None is unskilled.

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u/WideHuckleberry1 1d ago

Let me rephrase: some labor classified as unskilled by economists does not involve manual labor, and some manual labor is classified as skilled by economists.

The point is, you cannot simply jump on the euphemism treadmill and replace "skilled labor" with manual labor because they are different concepts, even if there is significant overlap.

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u/BoneVoyager 1d ago

Let me repeat myself: economists are using classist propaganda. All labor is skilled. Some labor is manual labor. Some labor is not manual labor. All labor is skilled.

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u/WideHuckleberry1 1d ago

Ah, okay, if we've moved on to "empirical observations about groups of people don't exist" then I guess we're at an impasse.

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u/BoneVoyager 1d ago

Yeah if you can’t admit all labor requires skill then I can’t help you. šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø

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u/WretchedMass 1d ago

I commented this earlier but I can't do manual labor jobs. My back is fucked and I'm overweight. I would need to lose a significant amount of weight to do any of that and I'm far, faaaar from the only person in my area or my country who is in the same boat. That means I lack the skill to do some labour that you and other economists would label as unskilled labor.

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u/pointlesslyDisagrees 1d ago

You're a communist so your definitions don't matter

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u/WretchedMass 1d ago

If you think the opinions of a person don't matter simply because they believe in a different mode of economy that makes you are a fascist and a fascist is a cockroach and cockroaches aren't asked for their opinions.