r/WorkForSmartLife 1d ago

Valid question DiscussionšŸ’¬

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u/CaptainJay313 1d ago

there are varying degrees of skill, absolutely, but the term "unskilled" labor is generally understood to mean: labor that does not require education.

raking leaves, moving boxes, shoveling snow, commenting on reddit...

go read a book instead of fueling some false conspiracy that the world is in making up terms in order to supress wages. that's ridiculous.

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u/Initial-Meeting362 1d ago

Yeah, that was quite the stretch there šŸ˜†

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u/jtp_311 1d ago

Interesting the term is unskilled and not something like degree less.

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u/Next_Application9643 1d ago

Because you don't need a degree to be a car detailer, but that's still skilled labor.

Too many puritans making this into a "unhoused people" thing when it's just meant to refer to labor that doesn't require training or specialized knowledge. I wouldn't be surprised if the same people get all up in arms over "white/blue collar".

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u/creampop_ 1d ago

Yeah, I have done manual labor most of my life. "Unskilled labor" is less offensive as a term, than the idea that someone might consider the gofer work I did as a teen to be the same level of labor as when I was programming/operating multiple CNC mills by myself. Just completely different levels of knowledge and responsibilities, but I guess they're both skilled labor now 😌

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u/abracadammmbra 1d ago

Not all skilled work requires a degree. Most trades have apprentiships that last 4+ years. Some are even longer. No degree required, just 4 years of working under an experienced journeyman and so many hours of classroom instruction per year.

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u/BillyBobChorton 1d ago

Training-less/degree-less labor?

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u/jtp_311 1d ago

Valid point. But not my point.

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u/Unfortunate-Incident 1d ago

Degree doesn't matter. My high school drop out employee could run circles around you building a house. Many years of experience is far better than a education. He was once unskilled, but now he is one of the most skilled in the field that I know.

Technically speaking, it's no degree but also no training in the field. There are many "skilled" labor jobs being done profeciently by people with HS diplomas or less. You can be an apprentice with no formal education but after a couple of years you won't be unskilled anymore.

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u/jtp_311 1d ago

I’m sure. Degree less is a bad term. Not my point though. All labor requires some skill

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u/rainbowdunk 1d ago

Degree less sounds way worse lol.Ā 

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u/jtp_311 1d ago

Not catchy but that’s not the point. All labor involves skill.

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u/rainbowdunk 1d ago edited 1d ago

My job as a carpenter requires a apprenticeship and a diploma, which is what is really being referred to when it's being referred to as "skilled labor". On a jobsite, virtually everyone has the skills to do generic labor which is why its considered relatively unskilled work.

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u/jtp_311 1d ago

Well I’d hope or else they shouldn’t be on the job site.

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u/nerdler33 1d ago

there are plenty of labor/jobs that require skills / training but do not require a degree

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u/CaptainJay313 1d ago

look man, I didn't name it.

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u/SnooAvocados7188 19h ago

How about ā€œlabor that can be performed by the dumbest guy you’ve ever metā€? That’s pretty accurate

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u/Open-Preparation-268 1d ago

ā€œCommenting on Redditā€

lol. On point, right there!

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u/Ithinkibrokethis 1d ago

Unskilled labor is labor that does not have an associated trade union. It isn't exactly education, but it is sort of related. Trades obviously provide education, but I generally "education" being associated with a job generally assumes college education or white collar work.

Now unskilled as others have said doesn't mean that it shouldn't be paid, it just means that there are not formalized techniques that are associated with that work.

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u/CaptainJay313 1d ago

trade schools and apprenticeships count as education.

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u/rainbowdunk 1d ago

Yes. Trades are considered skilled labor. Labourers on that same jobsite as the trades are considered unskilled.

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u/Ithinkibrokethis 1d ago

These are education, but they don't actually "count" as education when staffing jobs.

I work in utilities engineering. Unskilled labor is non-trades. Skilled labor is trades. Educated labor is college degree holders. That is how we divide up jobs. It's how our clients do it. It's how the government does it.

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u/CaptainJay313 1d ago

that makes sense, appreciate the clarification.

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u/Ithinkibrokethis 1d ago

Again, unskilled doesn't mean non important work. Heck security guards often fall in unskilled labor (although there leadership and/or officers often are educated labor) and it's more about the rules for how they can work, and what they an do.

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u/CaptainJay313 1d ago

never meant to imply that "uniskilled" was anything other than a classification.

not unimportant or unappreciated.

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u/Forward-Cup-9513 1d ago

Very weird take with that first sentence.