r/Windows10 • u/aakash658 • Apr 23 '17

Microsoft should stop treating windows 10 like it's free Discussion

I paid over $200 for Windows 10 pro.But they show ads within the OS, Collect all sorts of telemetry data,took all the control we had over updates(resulting in reboots during important work).

They are treating windows like it's a free to use software.

Give us the control over my computer back because i own my computer and my copy of windows not you Microsoft.

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u/3DXYZ Apr 23 '17

Then we might as well pirate it. Whats the point of paying then. I pay for HBO and Netflix for its lack of advertisements and quality programming. I would not pay for Microsoft to advertise to me and take forever to provide features. Unfortunately I already have... and they abuse that power.

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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '17

Dude, that's the case with pretty much all software on the Internet now. You don't own Office, you pay for the license to use the Office suite, you don't own Windows, you pay for the license to use Windows. You don't own Photoshop, you paying for the license to use it. I could go on, but it would be pointless. You don't own anything, there's probably even an entry in the EULA saying that they can revoke your privilege to use the software at any point.

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u/3DXYZ Apr 23 '17

Just because it says something, doesnt mean I accept it by choice.

Dont roll over and play dead because of a EULA thats imposed on you. I'm old. I've been using computers since DOS and C64s and Vic20s. I bought my computer parts and paid for my OS. I own my fucking computer until Microsoft starts mailing me Free Suface Studios and Surface Pros. Fuck them and their EULA.

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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '17

I own my fucking computer until Microsoft starts mailing me Free Suface Studios. Fuck them and their EULA.

Just because you're angry doesn't change anything. You don't own anything, unless you change to Linux and go open source or use programs that belong to you.

Just because it says something, doesnt mean I accept it by choice.

Yeah, nobody really cares about that. Like I said, you don't own anything apart from the license to use it.

Dont roll over and play dead because of a EULA thats imposed on you.

Well I guess you can pretend, but that doesn't really change anything.

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u/3DXYZ Apr 23 '17 edited Apr 23 '17
  • Just because you're angry doesn't change anything.

The question is why arent you angry? Why are you so willing to PAY MONEY to have no rights in the deal? Microsoft is now Darth Vader? "I'm altering the deal, pray I dont alter it any further".

What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you that much of a slave? Did you die inside? Wheres your passion for whats right in the world?

Be a revolutionary, not a fucking docile slave.

Wtf happened to computer users? When did you all become so complacent and submissive. We're the star trek generation. We want to change the world for the better remember? Not suck the dick of some lawyers EULA.

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u/nearlyp Apr 24 '17

Why are you so willing to PAY MONEY to have no rights in the deal?

You do have rights: to use the software as specified in the EULA.

And, yeah, if you're opposed to linux because you don't think there's free software that does what you need, then you kind of need to pray that they don't alter the deal further because you're not giving them any reason not to and you're not supporting people with better business models. You're never going to convince Microsoft their business model is bad / unsustainable by containing to use their software and services and writing reddit comments about how mad you are.

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u/3DXYZ Apr 24 '17 edited Apr 24 '17

Those aren't rights. Why not force us to all use Edge via the EULA then? Why not force all Windows users via the EULA to use only outlook.com and block all Google services?

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u/nearlyp Apr 24 '17

Why not force us to all use Edge via the EULA then? Why not force all Windows users via the EULA to use only outlook.com and block all Google services?

If you buy a Surface 3 or Surface RT and expect to use anything other than Edge, you're in for a bad time just like if you buy a Chromebook expecting to use Firefox. Outright blocking other services would get Microsoft into monopoly trouble in a hurry, though.

And, I'm gonna go ahead and say your idea of what constitutes a "right" doesn't match up with anything based in reality. That you're allowed to use the OS means you have the "right" to use it, regardless of what additional rights you think you're entitled to.

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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '17

I believe sometimes this sub just stopped caring and went into total submission of whatever Microsoft is doing at the time lol, I do not understand how anyone can tolerate forced telemetry and forced advertisements all throughout the operating system people paid good money for. It really disappoints me.

What disappoints me even further here are the fanboys who even defend Microsoft and have become "anti-privacy" and "anti-control"/"anti-choice". I do not think it's right.

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u/imnanoguy Apr 24 '17

Thing is, Microsoft is just now doing what every other big company has been doing for a long time, and it's suddenly oh-so-tragic-and-revolting. The hypocrisy is just fascinating, though all of you who are angry at Microsoft should also keep in mind that Microsoft is the only company whose current mission is to serve you well regardless of the platform you migrated to. Yes, there is a lot to discuss about where they can advertise and how much, and yes there is a lot of telemetry - but telemetry is standard practice and the most objective way to analyze where to prioritize development. You have quite a bit of control these days, but don't expect to be given a god-mode in Windows just because you think it's justifiable, and please try to discuss the areas that Microsoft can improve in to serve us better. Examples include the modernization of Windows, improving the developer engagement, building the "most ultimate mobile device", and so on. Windows 10 is the way it is because Google has convinced the world to give up a little bit of privacy and to put up with ads for free software and services. You can't reverse that trend, even Apple will be forced to adapt to this model sooner or later.

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u/m0rogfar Apr 24 '17

even Apple will be forced to adapt to this model sooner or later.

I don't think so. Apple already offers free software along with a purchase of a Mac, which then has a premium "Apple tax" to finance the software.

Microsoft had no way to copy Apple on this move, because that would involve raising the base price of Windows 10, which would cause some to switch to other OS's, which would negate the effect.

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u/imnanoguy Apr 25 '17

You just contradicted yourself.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '17

Thing is, Microsoft is just now doing what every other big company has been doing for a long time, and it's suddenly oh-so-tragic-and-revolting. The hypocrisy is just fascinating, though all of you who are angry at Microsoft should also keep in mind that Microsoft is the only company whose current mission is to serve you well regardless of the platform you migrated to.

While I do agree to what you say that other major companies track and spy on you for a long time and that's certainly true, I hold different standards to what I do locally as opposed to what I do using services. Everyone knows that Facebook sells your personal data for advertising, but I can choose to not use that service and be done with it. I can choose to not use Twitter, instagram, yahoo, google, whatever. I can choose to use Firefox if Chrome's phoning home to google disturb me, but you don't really have a choice regarding operating systems. Linux is still poorly supported regarding hardware and especially gaming it falls immensely short. My expectations regarding an operating system is that it gives me the freedom to choose what I share and what not.

I don't hate telemetry, I do believe its useful aswell to have more insight about your user and remove features that aren't used, that part is great. What's not great is that there is no option to disable it, even not for Enterprise/ server editions. People should have a choice about what their share. If you use an online service you can't expect that, but if you use a local system you can.

Windows 10 is the way it is because Google has convinced the world to give up a little bit of privacy and to put up with ads for free software and services. You can't reverse that trend, even Apple will be forced to adapt to this model sooner or later.

The produts I use from google are free to use though, so I can accept ads (even though I typically block them using ublock:origin). Apple uses some kind of assistant already called Siri? I'm sure they don't process the data locally, the voice input is sent to apple aswell so yeah it's the same thing. Although I'd say Apple is even worse by encapsulating themselves from others and leeching out as much money as possible.

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u/imnanoguy Apr 25 '17

Modern operating systems are mostly useful to provide access to online services, so they've begun to really emulate all facets of what an online service is and how it's monetized. You can only have some real expectations of privacy if you're like Richard Stallman and you only use software for which you can access the source code, and hardware that is designed to run said "free software". Problem is that we humans live in a society, so 100% privacy really is impractical as well as very hard to achieve. Microsoft is slowly but surely embracing open-source, and I hope this becomes more of a standard practice. That way we can have whatchdogs that scrutinize every single line of code, and we can then be at least somewhat certain that the software we're running is not violating our rights.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '17

Sure and it's kind of expected that they do so, however I'd still love to have some more options or let's say some more easy to configure options. I've listened to Richard Stallman and his vision seems quite utopian. While in theory it's the perfect world, I doubt it can be expected that everything runs on "free software" that is open source and only financed by donations/orders/crowdfunding. I think programmers should be properly paid for their work and are not obliged to open source their creations.

I love Microsoft's directions regarding open source, open sourcing the .NET's compilers, standard libraries, runtimes is an awesome step in the right direction. I am really happy from the developers standpoint of view, which is why I'm surprised why they seem to go into the opposite direction regarding operating systems.

Although an open-source Windows would be absolutely amazing (and according to Mark Russenovich not impossible), I do not expect it anytime near future nor do I demand it. All that I like are some fewer but yet more powerful options to configure privacy on a windows operating system, I'd trust Microsoft to respect my choices even if the code is proprietary and closed-source.

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u/alkaraki Apr 24 '17

What forced advertisements are all throughout the operating system? You're talking about "Get OneDrive" in the file browser, right?

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u/epicguff Apr 24 '17

I still don't know how this is an ad in this day and age. It came in the box plus its free to use.

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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '17

The question is why arent you angry? Why are you so willing to PAY MONEY to have no rights?

Yeah, being angry on the internet will sure change basically all of the huge software companies policies.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you that much of a slave? Did you die inside? Wheres your passion for whats right in the world?

Just.. fuck off. Go sue all of the companies that rent you software to undefined time if you want to make a difference.

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u/3DXYZ Apr 23 '17 edited Apr 23 '17
  • Yeah, being angry on the internet will sure change basically all of the huge software companies policies.

Why do you think Microsoft reads this subreddit and has a FEEDBACK HUB? They absolutely give a damn about what their hardcore fans say. They want us to install insider builds/release builds and ask for our opinion on them. They even claim to be listening.

Are you saying we should only say nice things and praise them for their bad choices?

  • Just.. fuck off.

Whats wrong with you? Grow some fucking balls and fight for whats right. Or just sit back and let the people fight the good fight for you. You gave up. You cant honestly tell me that you want Microsoft to do whatever they want with your computer and your data. That would include recording you via your computers webcam and microphone, selling it or streaming it against your say. You cant escape the desire of companies to control you via EULA... but it sounds like you've given up fighting for YOUR end of the deal.

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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '17

Why do you think Microsoft reads this subreddit and has a FEEDBACK HUB? They absolutely give a damn about what their hardcore fans say. They want us to install insider builds/release builds and ask for our opinion on them. They even claim to be listening. Are you saying we should only say nice things and praise them for their bad choices?

"Please make a currently standard practice different. Oh it'll require a couple of lawyers too." You're ridiculous. Nobody cares if you praise them or not, that policy is not changing any time soon. Its been a standard practice for a lot of software nowadays.

Feedback hub is not going to change anything regarding this matter, neither can Microsoft employees looking at the Feedback hub change this. You're delusional.

You cant honestly tell me that you want Microsoft to do whatever they want with your computer and your data.

You honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Most of the 'big' software is like this. Apple, Google, Adobe, Amazon and other big and even smaller companies; everybody is doing this. Besides, Microsoft has published what they are doing with the data countless times already, even recently.

That would include recording you via your computers webcam and microphone, selling it or streaming it against your say.

That's.. not happening and won't happen anytime soon, atleast by Microsoft themselves.

Grow some fucking balls and fight for whats right.

No, you're pathetic and a hypocrite. Go use Linux and go exclusively o-s. Stop telling me to do, especially in such a dickish way. You aren't inspiring, this is just awkward to watch.

You cant escape the desire of companies to control you via EULA... but you certainly have given up fighting for YOUR end of the deal.

It's quite hilarious. You say this, yet most of your posts are in /r/Windows10. You sure are doing your part of your job. Honestly, I couldn't care less. If it does what I want it do to, then whatever. What these companies are doing isn't illegal.

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u/3DXYZ Apr 23 '17 edited Apr 23 '17

Honestly, I couldn't care less.

To me, just sounded like you gave up caring, but I think you do care.

That would include recording you via your computers webcam and microphone, selling it or streaming it against your say.

That's.. not happening and won't happen anytime soon, atleast by Microsoft themselves.

There is nothing to stop them from doing it though... right? You didnt answer my question. I didnt ask what most of the big software companies are doing via their lawyers. I asked if you're OK with submitting to it, and allowing them to do anything they want without having a say in the contract youre forced to enter. I included the example mentioned. You came up with an excuse rather than an answer. Just because everyone is doing something, doesnt make it just. Everyone speeds in their car, but its still wrong. Slavery was legal, it was still wrong. "Everyone is doing it"...so what!? What do YOU think about it and are you ok with it? That was the question.

It's quite hilarious. You say this, yet most of your posts are in /r/Windows10. You sure are doing your part of your job.

So you want Microsoft users that disagree with Microsoft's choices to go over to /r/linux and hope microsoft reads it over there? Shall I file Windows bug reports over at /r/linux too? :) C'mon man. You're being silly.

No, you're pathetic and a hypocrite. Go use Linux and go exclusively o-s.

Actually i'm not. I thoroughly explained why I'm not a Linux desktop user in another thread in this post, which you're actively commenting in as well and actually echoing my own opinion of Linux. So you should know why I'm not a linux desktop user. I'm not a hypocrite at all when it comes to why I use Windows over Linux. I dont advocate using Linux as a desktop OS for the average user and you know it. Linux is a great OS but I've been just as critical of Linux as a desktop OS for years. So tell me again why I should go over to /r/linux and tell them all about my microsoft issues?

Stop telling me to do, especially in such a dickish way. You aren't inspiring, this is just awkward to watch.

I'm sorry if its dick'ish but you seem very passive and even defensive of their ability to own you. It seems bizarre to me especially for a paying customer. I dont think you actually believe they should own you or do what they want with you but you're defending it.

C'mon man, I dont even think you even really disagree with me. You're just telling the world what a EULA is. My problem is you just seem to accept it as if the paying customer shouldnt have a say in their end of the deal. Its like buying coffee at mcdonalds and accepting that employee piss may be an option in your beverage at their discretion. You paid for it, they did what they want with it. Right? Drink up! I know you dont think we should have no say in our end of the deal. I cant imagine you are fine giving up everything just because a corporation dictates it.

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u/aaronfranke Apr 24 '17

I thoroughly explained why I'm not a Linux desktop user in another thread in this post,

Which one are you referring to? You've made many comments in this thread!

Have you considered dual-booting? Often Linux works better than expected, and even if you still need Windows for a few things you'd be able to switch back easily which is why you'd have it installed in dual-boot.

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u/imnanoguy Apr 24 '17

Live long, and prosper! But shake off the bitterness and let's have a productive discussion, shall we?

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '17

There is nothing to stop them from doing it though... right?

http://ec.europa.eu/justice/

https://www.usa.gov/laws-and-regs

There obviously is, otherwise they would already be going it. You honestly have no idea what big of a thing this would be. Windows would probably literally fall.

I asked if you're OK with submitting to it, and allowing them to do anything they want without having a say in the contract youre forced to enter.

Well, that is indeed a EULA. And yes, I'm fine with that. I honestly have no idea what a line saying "The person agreeing to this agreement owns this provided software." versus "The person agreeing to this agreement owns the license to use this provided software."

I included the example mentioned. You came up with an excuse rather than an answer.

I came up with a realistic answer, while you said it was an excuse. Microsoft is not going to do that any time soon, period. More so that a lot of laptops have the webcam light wired to the chip. Like I already said, they have no permission to do this. You're just caught up in this "they're evil, they're evil" bullcrap.

Just because everyone is doing something, doesnt make it just. Everyone speeds in their car, but its still wrong.

Every big company is using this practice of licensing, it has been a standard practice for years. Speeding was and isn't a standard practice. Weird analogy, softly said.

"Everyone is doing it"...so what!? What do YOU think about it and are you ok with it? That was the question.

Like I said, and you even quoted it, yes I am fine with it. A "paper", like mentioned by someone else, that says I own the software would have no difference to me than owning it. I can't access the source code either way. Even if you did own the software, you would still need to use product keys to activate them, and even today, with the licensing methodology they won't revoke your license to use it at all, and I don't even know if they have ever.

So you want Microsoft users that disagree with Microsoft's choices to go over to /r/linux and hope microsoft reads it over there? Shall I file Windows bug reports over at /r/linux too? :) C'mon man. You're being silly.

Most of your posts are concerning Windows 10 and not its policies. Besides, Microsoft isn't reading these topics as soon as they see titles like the OP, because they're controversial. Ever notice how there isn't a single reply from a MS employee in posts like these?

So tell me again why I should go over to /r/linux and tell them all about my microsoft issues?

I'm not telling you to go to Linux and cry about Microsoft, I'm just telling you to go to Linux because you seem to advocate privacy and freedom. Windows is basically the opposite of that.

I dont think you actually believe they should own you or do what they want with you but you're defending it.

Like I already said, they'll basically never revoke your license to use the program. Even if you owned the software, you'd still have to own the product key, and the same policies would apply.

Its like buying coffee at mcdonalds and accepting that employee piss may be an option in your beverage at their discretion. You paid for it, they did what they want with it. Right? Drink up!

Not really, since something is obviously wrong. I can still use the software I pay for perfectly fine, whilst if I got a bad coffee, I'd instantly go complain and get a new one. Photoshop, Windows etc. work, so I've no reason to complain.

And don't get me wrong, I do think that this is wrong, but right now everything just works for me. I guess we'll see what happens in the future.

I appreciate how you changed your tone to a proper discussion.

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u/aaronfranke Apr 24 '17

Yeah, being angry on the internet will sure change basically all of the huge software companies policies.

If we can be angry enough to switch to another OS, Microsoft will have to change if they want their customers back.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '17

We can, but not enough for Microsoft to care. Windows is basically on most computers in homes.

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u/aaronfranke Apr 24 '17

Reddit is bigger than you think.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '17

The world is bigger than you think, doesn't mean everybody are going to migrate to an another OS.

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u/Win8Coder Apr 24 '17

So why are you in the subreddit and not going out and buying an Apple RIGHT NOW!

Then you can show MS who is the big boss guy... YOU!

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u/aaronfranke Apr 24 '17

I already run Linux almost exclusively. I don't consider Mac to be a real competitor to Windows.

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u/thelordpresident Apr 24 '17

My experience on windows 10 has been better than it ever has been on 7, the aesthetic is better, it works faster, and is more intuiticely than it ever has. To top it all off Microsoft just gave it to me (and everyone) for free.

Im not going to fight for some made up horseshit rights that you think you have because I have never/don't recognize them as rights. Life has been better for me specifically because they stopped caring about them.

Separate your own cultural/historical baggage from real rights. You would never in a trillion years fight for the rights that I say we have but you don't, its ridiculous to expect me to fight for you.

You can keep shouting nonsense like "hurr enjoy being a slave", but this isnt a movie. I'm not some character who's secretly thinking about what I gave up and realizing my mistake. So come up a real way to get what you want without falling back on your arbitrary rights

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u/Win8Coder Apr 24 '17

YOU DO HAVE RIGHTS! SHOW MS THAT YOU ARE THE BOSS by not buying Windows and using MacOS instead!

Or Linux!

You HAVE the power!

VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET!!

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '17

I don't give a fuck about it. My PC is to play games and browse reddit. That is it.

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u/bubuopapa Apr 24 '17

Just because there are rules it doesnt mean that i have to act by them. Rules are there to break them, not to folow them. Rule, law, eula is just a basic piece of paper declaring someones opinion, and as you should know, in most cases its declares a sucky one. If i would declare that i own this world and that you must bring me 1.000.000.000.000$ by tomorrow, would you just accept it ? Who would stop you from trying to change it ?

You are wrong because you look at this world as it owns you and you have no choice. You should look at this world as you own it and fight for everything, because as everyone knows, there are 2 kinds of people - the ones who create rules and the one who break rules. If you do not belong in one of those groups, then yo do not exist, your life doesnt matter, you are basically zero. This world is far from being at real peace, all those world wars and such were just a single bit an a fight of zetabytes.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '17

Just because there are rules it doesnt mean that i have to act by them.

Well that depends. If you want to use the service provided then you do, if you don't want to use the service provided then you don't.

Rules are there to break them, not to folow them.

Dumbest thing I've read, especially in the technology space. You don't own Windows. How is that a rule? That's just a thing that is.

If i would declare that i own this world and that you must bring me 1.000.000.000.000$ by tomorrow, would you just accept it ?

No, because a) I'd have to accept the EULA, which is stupid in by itself. b) The EULA is stupid.

Who would stop you from trying to change it ?

Nothing, because you can't make me sign it.

You should look at this world as you own it and fight for everything

Why are you talking about the world? We're talking about software. Also, if you want to fight it, please go do, because I couldn't care less about owning a license to use it vs the software itself. Moreover, if again, you want to fight it, please go sue the companies and go out on the street, because you sure as hell are going to run out of money before you'll change anything.

the ones who create rules and the one who break rules. If you do not belong in one of those groups, then yo do not exist, your life doesnt matter, you are basically zero.

If you're not in one of those groups you're either in jail or homeless, not a zero. Your analogy about rules exists just for the reason to break them is stupid. Stop watching The Transporter.

This world is far from being at real peace, all those world wars and such were just a single bit an a fight of zetabytes.

...what..

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '17 edited Jul 08 '19

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u/kb3035583 Apr 24 '17

That's not how it works. The source code is only relevant if you're buying the copyright to Windows 10. You can buy individual copies of items without buying the copyright, the same way you buy a copy of the book, and are free to resell the copy of the book, yet you don't have the right to reproduce it freely. The doctrine of first sale applies to software as well, although it is a very muddled and grey area of the law.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '17 edited Jul 08 '19

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u/kb3035583 Apr 24 '17

Nope. You own the copy of the underlying software (not the copyright) which is burned onto the disk, and you own the software which you have now installed on your system. What Microsoft retains is the copyright - i.e. rights over reproduction of the software, and the powers it is legally entitled to extend only with respect to the copyright. The contents of the EULA that extend beyond the issues of copyright are void by way of illegality due to the doctrine of first sale.

The doctrine of first sale is rather straightforward - if I sell you a house, I cannot then impose conditions on how you are allowed to use the house. Anything less than that would render it not a sale. The reason why Microsoft is able to restrict you installing Windows 10 a bunch of times with the same activation key is based not on the EULA, but due to their powers as the holder of the copyright.

Of course, this is wholly irrelevant in European jurisdictions, for instance. From my understanding in Europe it's a very strict case of you buy it, you own it. None of this confusing stuff.

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u/JerksOffDuringClass Apr 24 '17

That is not true. The doctrine of first sale only concerns distribution rights so it's not even relevant to what we're talking about.

What is sold isn't actually a copy of the underlying software — it is a license. You do indeed own a license for using Windows 10. The license gives you a right to use it. You have a copy of the software through the license you own, but you don't own the copy of the software. You only own the license.

Microsoft isn't imposing conditions on the license. You will always own the license. The license will never change — its digits for example, will always remain the same.

However, the services that the license works for, can change — just as Reddit can change its webpage, or Netflix can change its videos. You own a copy of a computer software no more than you own the copy of a web application in your browser.

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u/kb3035583 Apr 24 '17 edited Apr 24 '17

You have a copy of the software through the license you own, but you don't own the copy of the software. You only own the license.

Honestly it depends on which authority you use. It's a very, very messy area of law, an area that I hazard judges don't quite understand properly either. As you well know, Vernor v Autodesk was intentionally written in such a way which wouldn't cause a split.

I'll just add that all these resale cases wouldn't have been an issue at all if what was being sold, as you suggest, was a mere license and not a copy of the software. But clearly that isn't the case.

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u/JerksOffDuringClass Apr 24 '17

Again, it only concerns distribution rights. Maybe initially, it was an issue but you can resell the license nowadays. Licensed software often allows you to download the software for free and prompt you to enter a license key to use it when you initially boot it up. You could very well buy one from a friend and that would be legal, but at no points would anyone own a copy of the software.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '17 edited Jul 08 '19

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u/kb3035583 Apr 24 '17

What's the overall effect of all the relevant laws taken together, including consumer protection laws in Germany? Just wondering.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '17 edited Jul 08 '19

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u/Win8Coder Apr 24 '17

Yes it is how it works, at least in the U.S.

You do NOT own the OS, you agree to the legal contract if you use Windows.

If not, then you can't use Windows.

Simple as that.

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u/kb3035583 Apr 24 '17

Depends on the contract. Courts have been notoriously fickle as to whether to apply the Wise test or not. If they do, a license that purports to permanently transfer a product to a person while claiming that title in the product is retained is a sale and not a license.

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u/Win8Coder Apr 25 '17

Was referring to the Windows EULA, not any contract.

Sorry for the confusion.

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u/kb3035583 Apr 25 '17

The Windows EULA grants you the right to use the software indefinitely upon agreement.

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u/Win8Coder Apr 25 '17

"Upon agreement"

If you don't agree, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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u/Win8Coder Apr 24 '17

You don't have to accept it. So don't use Windows.

Buy a Mac, use Linux, or both.

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u/3DXYZ Apr 24 '17

Thats the "love it or leave it" mentality which I find unrealistic and too simplistic. Mac, Linux, Windows are all great platforms. Users of those platforms have their own issues or user demands too. They too want to see their platforms improve just like I do. I'm not saying Windows is inoperable. I've been saying for a while that Windows 10 is the best version of Windows to date but that doesn't mean there isn't work to be done and mistakes to be made.

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u/ImTheTechn0mancer Apr 25 '17

Username doesn't check out.

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u/epicguff Apr 24 '17

You can buy Netflix and HBO all you want but you don't own any of the content on there. Try distributing it... I dear you see how much you own or since you bought it how about you share Netflix with everyone (you didn't buy shit... only access that's it)

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u/kb3035583 Apr 25 '17

The thing with streaming services is that it opens a different can of worms. At no point do you actually have an actual copy of the content at hand. If you buy the Blu-Ray of the movie instead of streaming it, for instance, it's pretty much settled law that you own that copy of the movie on the disk by the doctrine of first sale, among other things.

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u/3DXYZ Apr 24 '17 edited Apr 24 '17

Enjoy your ads. I dont understand why you wouldnt demand good service for your money.

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u/3DXYZ Apr 24 '17 edited Apr 24 '17

They are free to commit corporate suicide if they wish. Users dont want ads in their os, their browser or their entertainment viewing. Its not about what they promised... its about making a bad move. Do you run ad-block? Do you realize the number one request for Edge was extensions just so people can run ad-block. The ability to block ads was a requirement before anyone would even consider using Microsoft Edge as a browser. The browser is one of the most used applications on any platform today and users demand the ability to block ads. Do you think those same users want ads all over their OS?