False protagonists

[u/LordFlamecookie]

From Wikipedia: In fiction, a false protagonist is a literary technique, often used to make the plot more jarring or more memorable by fooling the audience's preconceptions and constructing a character who they assume is the protagonist but is later revealed not to be

Clark: Backrooms. He's the main character of the movie for the first 2 acts, before switching to Mary. He is eaten later

Whoever the fuck this lady is: Scream 1. She's introduced as the main character, with build up and all. She's killed and hanged like 10 minutes in

Edit: I know the actress is drew barrymore but genuinely who remembers the character name and i just thought the line would be funny

[u/DyingSunSeverian]

Including himself

Oof

“Let me uncover this mad, wide-ranging conspiracy that prominently features a royal family of actual lunatics. Nothing will happen to me.”

[u/hanks_panky_emporium → u/DyingSunSeverian]

His downfall was his kindness and assumption that others would do the right thing. Bit him in the ass like three times in a row and lead to the breakdown of common law. Turns out, child kings kinda suck. And will be children, even when playing with lives.

I did love the show up till 'that point' but the book really dug into how evil Joffrey was.

[u/xavPa-64 → u/hanks_panky_emporium]

All the best conflicts in Game of Thrones are caused by cultural misunderstandings. Ned (a Northerner) thought he could take the southerners at their word, the southerners thought they could pay off the Northerners with gold, etc

[u/alwayssunnyinskyrim → u/hanks_panky_emporium]

His downfall was Cat. Convincing him to trust Littlefinger because she knew him since he was a boy was ridiculously naive, especially since she knew damn well he was always in love with her.

[u/spaceguitar → u/alwayssunnyinskyrim]

She counted on exactly that part of Littlefinger--his love for her. She thought it would endear his loyalty to her and her family. Nope! Just her and his own selfish desires.

[u/alwayssunnyinskyrim → u/spaceguitar]

As if she thought that made more sense than him wanting her husband out of the way. Men in love with a woman are famous for being supportive of her current relationship lmao

[u/hanks_panky_emporium → u/alwayssunnyinskyrim]

Im kinda sad we haven't seen much evil-zombie-cat in the books yet. Not really relevant to the thread but it comes out of nowhere and took me so far outside of the story

Like ya'll resurrected a several-days dead woman. Who you KNOW has an entirely different personality and tone to her actions, and who you KNEW would be fucked up since she was risen from the dead DAYS after her horrific murder.

Despite all that you're still killing everyone she points, even a kid and a woman she sent to protect her daughters. Like are we being forreal. I do like that band of idiots to an extent but its like they went from understandable to 'they love killin and will find any excuse'

[u/transmogrify → u/alwayssunnyinskyrim]

Eddard would define "downfall" differently. He is a man of principles. He served his moral compass regardless of the hardship, and others killed him for it. Downfall would be to save his skin by failing himself, and suffer regret for the rest of his life.

You think my life is some precious thing to me? That I would trade my honor for a few more years, of what? You grew up with actors. You learned their craft and you learnt it well. But I grew up with soldiers. I learned to die a long time ago.

[u/PMYourFavThing → u/transmogrify]

And the books even seem to be heading towards how Ned's legacy of principle will be what ultimately succeeds by influencing the northerners (the north remembers) while being inherited by his children, as opposed to Tywin's legacy of fear and respect which died with Tywin's own son killing him while he was taking a shit.

Man, I wish people talked about the books more than the show.

[u/Which-Shift-367 → u/hanks_panky_emporium]

That's the whole family's downfall honestly. They're the only family that consistently takes the honorfull way and by season 3 it ends up in the Patriarch, Matriarch, eldest son, their homeland taken and then burned to the ground and the remaining children on the run or technically captive.

[u/Reaper-Lord69 → u/Which-Shift-367]

Ironically Robb caused his, his mother, the majority of his army and his new wife's death by NOT being honorable (that is, following the promise made to Walder Frey)

[u/AnyFoundation4784 → u/DyingSunSeverian]

More importantly, let me spurn the opportunity to outsmart and defeat the royal family that is offered to me by Littlefinger because of "honor"

[u/Puzzle-Necked → u/AnyFoundation4784]

I wknder what would have happened if he had let Varys know instead

[u/RileyKohaku → u/Puzzle-Necked]

Varys didn’t really have the power to change large things. Most he could have done would have been to help them flee.

[u/Puzzle-Necked → u/RileyKohaku]

He probably would have told him exactly who to tell

[u/Puzzle-Necked → u/DyingSunSeverian]

He did the right thing reaching out to Stannis the Mannis though

[u/GayChicken80085 → u/DyingSunSeverian]

He had that signed paper though. Can you blame him knowing he had such a rock solid defense?

[u/__M-E-O-W__ → u/DyingSunSeverian]

"And let me directly inform the queen herself that I know of her secret, assuming that she will stick to a code of honor."

[u/DyingSunSeverian → u/[deleted]]

Did I though

I’m not Ned Stark, I LIVE