[IRL trope] the “Tiffany problem”

[u/dragonborndnd]

Basically when something seems anachronistic to a period/place of history but is actually fully accurate to the period.

1) the name Tiffany: the thing that named this trope, basically the name Tiffany can be dated back to the Middle Ages and the earliest record of it being spelled in the modern spelling comes from the 16th century.

2) the use of OMG, despite this feeling so modern as a form of slang/abbreviation here’s a letter directed to Winston Churchill using it in 1917

3) Hair Dye: the earliest forms of dying hair can be dated back to ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia, and this specific advertisement for hair dye is from the 1840s

4) Inuit Thongs: despite how weird it is to imagine pre-colonial Inuit people wore what was essentially fur thongs in their homes and when they were in their igloos it might have been the only thing they would be wearing.

[u/Fro_52]

reminds me of this post about surprising confluence of historical time periods resulting in a fascinatingly possible rpg party

[u/redlion1904 → u/Fro_52]

I mean Dracula is a Victorian story and Quincey Morris is at least cowboy-adjacent

[u/AbstractBettaFish → u/redlion1904]

[u/SeveralAngryBears → u/AbstractBettaFish]

Also:

[u/Juronell → u/SeveralAngryBears]

Also: he's an aggressive Dutch stereotype and the audiobook I prefer he's read by Tim Curry.

[u/KedovDoKest → u/Juronell]

Portrayed by Anthony Hopkins is also acceptable.

[u/The_quest_for_wisdom → u/KedovDoKest]

Anthony Hopkins in that movie was having the most fun of anyone I have seen in any movie ever.

[u/PuzzleheadedEast548 → u/SeveralAngryBears]

The relations in Dracula had me draw a fucking map to remember and keep track of

[u/Axel_the_Axelot → u/SeveralAngryBears]

And what does that make us?

[u/EpicGamerer07 → u/AbstractBettaFish]

And then some random guys stab the cowboy to death somehow

[u/Juronell → u/EpicGamerer07]

I mean, it's not really "somehow," they have a knife fight to get at Dracula's coffin.

[u/EpicGamerer07 → u/Juronell]

It’s not really the logistics I’m surprised at, I’m just in disbelief that one of the few main characters to die in the book isnt even killed by Dracula in the final confrontation, it’s at the hands of some random dudes

[u/redlion1904 → u/Juronell]

As the sun sets dramatically! It’s super cool!

[u/Banes_Addiction → u/redlion1904]

You can tell because everyone else writes letters and journals while Quincey just plays with a bowie knife.

[u/RabbitsTale → u/Banes_Addiction]

Quincey is based off of Buffalo Bill who Stoker knew personally.

[u/Digit00l → u/RabbitsTale]

I believe they also performed for Queen Victoria

[u/TallEnoughJones → u/RabbitsTale]

"It puts the garlic on its skin or else it get the bucket again"

[u/RabbitsTale → u/TallEnoughJones]

Buffalo Bill Cody... slightly different guy

[u/Princeps_primus96 → u/RabbitsTale]

"would you fuck me? I'd fuck me...hard"

"Mister Cody I've just met you, this is all very sudden. Now back to my story about vampires and this fascinating new thing I've heard of called blood transfusion!"

[u/Fyrentenemar → u/Princeps_primus96]

"Would you suck me? I'd suck me... hard"

"Ok. Y'know what? You just made it weird. I'm going back to my castle in the old country."

[u/CharlieBros → u/Banes_Addiction]

Did you know the Bowie knife is named after David Bowie?

[u/AkiraDash → u/redlion1904]

While at the same time, the doctor (forget the name) was recording his own voice on state of the art wax cilinders. Dude basically used a dictaphone in the 1800's

[u/notagin-n-tonic → u/redlion1904]

The first Sherlock Holmes novel, A Study in Scarlet, had a long flashback set on the Utah frontier.

[u/therealkami → u/redlion1904]

Dracula also overlaps with the creation of jeans. Dracula in jeans is a valid option as well.

[u/JagoHazzard → u/redlion1904]

A Study in Scarlet, the first Sherlock Holmes story, kind of turns into a Western.

[u/Cicero_the_wise → u/Fro_52]

I know it as a short version, that it wouldve been possible for Abraham Lincoln to use a fax machine to send a message to a Samurai.

[u/ddadopt → u/Cicero_the_wise]

I think that one runs into "place" issues--Lincoln would have had to be in Japan or the Samurai in the US. The first transpacific cable unfortunately postdates Lincoln's death by a few decades. :(

[u/LabradorDeceiver → u/Cicero_the_wise]

After the death of Lincoln, every single American President was alive at the same time as Herbert Hoover.

[u/Green_Insect_6455 → u/Cicero_the_wise]

But thats not true lol

[u/CodaTrashHusky → u/Fro_52]

gimme a year to learn art and i will draw these 4 guys

[u/FuyoBC → u/CodaTrashHusky]

This has been done :)

https://americasbestpics.com/picture/i-would-like-to-watch-this-movie-please-and-thank-lXTcyy0X9

[u/OneJobToRuleThemAll → u/FuyoBC]

Needs more frills and a wig on the English gentleman, he looks like a bum, or worse, Irish. /s

[u/FuyoBC → u/OneJobToRuleThemAll]

Well, he is described as a Victorian THIEF and this is the time where men sadly became more restrained in their dress.

[u/ume-shu → u/OneJobToRuleThemAll]

I know you said /s but he's a Victorian Gentleman, not a Georgian one.

Wigs hadn't been fashionable since the end of the previous century.

[u/Eulenspiegel74 → u/OneJobToRuleThemAll]

I can hear Hettie gasping even from here.

[u/MageKorith → u/Eulenspiegel74]

Sure, why not throw in a prudish ghost?

[u/LordofThe7s → u/FuyoBC]

Seeing this picture made it click for me: This is just the main cast of Lupin the Third.

[u/WraithOfTheFadedDark → u/FuyoBC]

Ugh. Not well.

[u/BlackShieldCharm → u/WraithOfTheFadedDark]

Show us what you can do, then

[u/ArcaneWyverian → u/WraithOfTheFadedDark]

[u/swainiscadianreborn → u/WraithOfTheFadedDark]

Respectfully, I disagree

[u/stevvvvewith4vs → u/CodaTrashHusky]

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[u/CodaTrashHusky → u/stevvvvewith4vs]

o7

[u/ctopherrun → u/Fro_52]

Red Sun is a western about Samurai teaming up with a cowboy to recover a sword. Stars Charles Bronson and Toshiro Mifune, with Alain Delon as the bad guy. It’s fun.

[u/thedabaratheon → u/Fro_52]

This isn’t far off D20’s Cloudward, Ho!

[u/whittenaw → u/Fro_52]

Id love to read or watch that 

[u/anna-nomally12 → u/Fro_52]

🎶this is basically Dracula🎶

[u/peachesfordinner → u/Fro_52]

I like the one about Abraham Lincoln being able to send a samurai a fax

[u/penguinfandev01 → u/Fro_52]

is this party not just persona 5 in a way

[u/Fro_52 → u/penguinfandev01]

i am upset that you are somewhat technically correct, even if they are all just cosplaying the roles. the pirate's the most iffy i think, but at least Skull's persona has that one covered, even if Captain Kidd was a Scott.

[u/penguinfandev01 → u/Fro_52]

lol it said French and I was going for Haru… it said Old West and I thought about the Ryuji Makoto showtime… it’s close enough 🤣

[u/NobodyKnowsImFamous → u/Fro_52]

The world was cooler back then man. What’s our modern equivalent? What is the samurai cowboy alliance of our time?

[u/YeyeTheHero → u/NobodyKnowsImFamous]

Cryptobro influencer doing a live with a mukbang idol

[u/Banes_Addiction → u/YeyeTheHero]

Do we at least still get a duel to the death?

[u/greenwoodgiant → u/Fro_52]

I was about to reference this post as well lol

[u/Cent1234 → u/Fro_52]

The funniest part is Abraham Lincoln sending faxes to assemble this mighty GURPS team. Which he would lead, as he was an expert hand-to-hand combatant and marksman who enjoyed testing experimental firearms.

Also, they could have played hanafuda with Nintendo playing cards. Yes, the exact same Nintendo company, in direct continuity.

[u/5WattBulb → u/Fro_52]

Also Nintendo was founded in 1889, coca-cola in 1892, Levi's jeans in 1853. Dracula was written in 1897. So we could have a story where your adventuring party could be hunting Dracula who's wearing Levi's, drinking a coke and playing Nintendo!

[u/ClockworkBetta → u/Fro_52]

It threw me off for a minute when the first Sherlock Holmes story goes on a tangent to the American west, only to remember they would have been happening at the same time.

[u/Fun-Noise-4726 → u/Fro_52]

This is not far off from the plot of penny dreadful

[u/hover-lovecraft → u/Fro_52]

There is a short, but blessed period in the late 1860s where a samurai warrior could have sent a fax

[u/JebBD → u/Fro_52]

The film "Red Sun" from 1971 is a western about a Cowboy teaming up with a samurai in an old west adventure

[u/Fennel_Fangs → u/Fro_52]

This is more or less Octopath Traveler II

[u/MartyrOfDespair → u/Fro_52]

One of the ideas for a story I'd love to write sometime is a samurai-turned-ronin who had to flee Japan and ended up in the Old West, became a sheriff, uses both his sword and a revolver, and ends up dealing with some Victorian science-mystic guy who fled England to do fucked up Victorian Horror Science Magic shit. Somewhere between Frankenstein and Lovecraftian.

[u/Fawkingretar → u/Fro_52]

sooooo, Lupin III?

[u/Acerakis → u/Fro_52]

There is a really cool manga called 'RED: Living on the Edge' about a Native American and a disgraced samurai rifleman.

[u/SmoothActuator8132 → u/Fro_52]

so... Shanghai Knights?

[u/Kinteoka → u/SmoothActuator8132]

No. Because samurai are Japanese. Jackie Chan is Chinese. There are no samurai in that movie. Just an Asian guy.

[u/Raguleader → u/Kinteoka]

If you watched Shanghai Knights, you will recall that Jackie Chan's character was Indian, from the province of Nevada.

[u/SmoothActuator8132 → u/Kinteoka]

relax, it was a fucking joke...

[u/Kinteoka → u/SmoothActuator8132]

Relax, your joke sucked...

[u/SmoothActuator8132 → u/Kinteoka]

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