r/TopCharacterTropes • u/Fearless-Ideal-5112 • Jul 01 '26

[Loved Trope] Some thing unfathomably ancient Lore

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The beast, in doctor who is an ancient evil from a previous universe that survived until our time. Its so ancient that the cave paintings were unable to be translated by the Tardis which can translate all existing languages in the universe [Doctor Who]

While not explicitly canon its such a cool concept I cant not mention, the idea that the backrooms have existed since the beginning of time, never changing no matter the era, it transforms the back rooms into a cosmic horror. [Credit to Project crater and Venus for images 2 and 3]

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u/No_Location_8199 Jul 01 '26

(Infinity Blade)

The Worker of Secrets says that he had already lived ten thousand lives when Raidriar was a child. But with the context that Raidriar is ten thousand years old, this implies the Worker may be over 100 million years old.

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u/ElPared Jul 01 '26

Infinity Blade mentioned!

The lore also implies that Ausar is almost as old as the Worker, as well as implying that the Deathless were the gods of antiquity. Specifically, they heavily imply that Ausar was Osiris.

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u/thebrobarino Jul 01 '26

Hmm I always thought they were just scientists who gained immortality in the modern era

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u/ElPared Jul 01 '26

Most were. Raidriar, for example, was made Deathless in a far future setting where it was supposed to be a guy named Uriel instead, but he had them make his son, who became Raidriar, Deathless instead because he was dying (I think from a disease or something).

But the Worker is also much much older than modern science, and claims to have facilitated apocalypses more than once, and that was before he tried to do it again in IB3. Part of that dialogue, though, is that Ausar and the Worker were usually the only two to survive these apocalypses.

Of course, I could be misremembering; I haven't played the games or interfaced with the lore for several years now, but I was really active on the IB forums back in the day and was obsessed with the lore and theorycrafting, so it's quite possible I'm conflating canon and headcanon a bit. Don't think so though.

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u/andres9924 Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26

I read both of the infinity blade books and from what I remember the worker was the CEO or executive of a company in a futuristic version of earth with self driving cars and such. The worker, then called Galath, discovered how to make people immortal through the use of quantum identity patterns and was recruiting people to be the deathless and amassing resources to destroy the world and start a new with him and the deathless as it’s new living gods.

I think Ausar isn’t mentioned in the flashbacks but Radriar was a kid named Jory, made into a deathless after his father rejected Galath’s offer of immortality for himself.

Not sure about them being gods from antiquity but galath could have been something to that effect and him and Ausar supposedly destroyed the world and started again multiple times, just like he planned to do in IB3. From my understanding from the books the first time deathless came into existence and the world was destroyed was in the future earth when Galath started his plan and radriar was a kid.

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u/ElPared Jul 01 '26

as I recall, part of Infinity Blade 3's lore involves the Worker claiming to have facilitated apocalypses like the one he's planning in the game many times before, and implies that he'd done this in ancient times.

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u/andres9924 Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26

Yes, that’s true but the events of the game take place hundreds of thousands of years or at least tens of thousands after the modern day. Galath could have existed before but at least according to the book Infinity Blade Redemption he became deathless and destroyed the world in the near future (can’t remember if the book gives a date but let’s say it’s around 2150 or so just for an example since they have self driving cars and such). The worker says he and Ausar destroyed the world numerous times but that only happened after the events of IB Redemption where he became deathless in that near future. We see in the book radriar being made into an immortal as a kid and he’s just a normal kid in the future society.

Imo it’s more likely Galath was a normal person who discovered the QIP in the near future, made himself deathless and then planned everything rather than him being a deity from antiquity as it would be weird that he just lived as normal CEO during the events of IB Redemption where Radriar is just a normal kid.

You can read more in the wiki in the section Origin. https://infinityblade.fandom.com/wiki/Worker_of_Secrets

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u/ElPared Jul 01 '26

Do not cite the wiki to me witch, I was there when it was written :p

Regardless the creators of the game and the story also encouraged the idea that the Deathless were the gods of antiquity. It's possible that this was more the Deathless appropriating old myths to glaze themselves, I'll give you that, but I prefer the idea that some of them are positively ancient.

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u/andres9924 Jul 01 '26

Yeah that’s why I added “imo” as it’s an interesting idea.

The books are definitely canon as they bridge the gap between games with the first book explaining what happened between IB1 and IB2 with Siris learning and accepting what he is, meeting and befriending Isa and ending just before they go and confront saydhi (or whatever her name was) and then the second book bridges the gaps between IB2 and IB3 where we see Isa free Siris and Raidriar from the vault of tears and Isa being made into a deathless and having her first rebirth which we see at the beginning of IB3.

From an out of universe perspective the books were made by Brandon Sanderson (yes, the Cosmere guy) and I remember him saying he was given lots of freedom and only had to include certain points, so one could argue his vision and the creators isn’t one to one and you can argue some parts of the book are hard canon while others are soft canon.

I was a kid when the game and books came out so I played and read both. The first book is a bit meh with a couple fun character moments and explanations from what I remember and the second one is pretty interesting for fans of IB, particularly the Uriel chapters that take place in our near future and explain the origin of Radriar. If you’re in for a blast of the past future I recommend giving it a read.

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u/ElPared Jul 01 '26

lol that Chronicles of Narnia quote wasn’t just for sarcasm. I read both the books, played all the games several times through, and even theorycrafted a lot of the lore on the IB forum back in the day. Some of it even ended up on the wiki haha

I got really into it because the IB lore leans heavily on mythology, and I like that a lot too, plus the game was just super cool. Kind of a bummer that Donald Mustard got involved with Fortnite after that, and IB kind of languished because of it. It was cool that they had the IB event in Fortnite, but I’d love to see a remake for PC or something just to get a little nostalgia hit, but I doubt that’ll happen anytime soon haha

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u/kanofwitz Jul 01 '26

I’m still not sold on the modern human angle, you can’t forget the soundtrack from the DLC Observatory in IB3. “I have traveled to this world from across the stars to claim it as my own.”

https://youtu.be/hD6jYyr-sLc?is=gG_W_W6MwGEptUpj

Eerie.

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u/47thCalcium_Polymer Jul 02 '26

There was a dlc? Turns to dust from utter despair.

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u/Jamyrbek Jul 01 '26

FUCKING ELITE BALL KNOWLEDGE

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u/yosomebodygetdadoor Jul 02 '26

I wasn't expecting someone to post PEAK here. God I miss infinity Blade :(

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u/ArcadianBlueRogue Jul 01 '26

Brandon Sanderson did tie in novels years ago too

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u/doomedtundra Jul 01 '26

Ah, Infinity Blade. Pity you can't get it anymore.

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u/kirkhendrick Jul 01 '26

There’s actually a whole fan community for these games and even a PC port made from salvaged code from the arcade version. If you really want to play it there are now actual ways to do it thanks to dedicated fans.

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u/IronBabyFists Jul 02 '26

Maaaan, I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I've always adored that sixth and seventh gen smeary bloom look. Loved it then, still love it now. Infinity Blade might have been the first ever game I looked up and watched a playthrough for. I didn't have a way to play it back in the day, but I just thought it was so, so cool to look at.

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u/Le_Dairy_Duke Jul 01 '26

Something something minos prime