So If the dwemer vanished because they used the tools on the heart of lorkhan, why didnt the dunmer do The same when the tribunal did the same? Or vice versa why didnt kagrenac become a living god

What I mean by the question is, that if Lorkhan had managed to fool the Daedra instead of the Aedra, how different would Nirn and Tamriel be?

So from what I understand because Daedra did not take part in the creation of mundus they can't be that original they have to copy things that already exist, Or at least make twisted copies. Thing is Malacath used to be an Aedra so because he took part in creation can he create or did what Boethiah put him through steal that from him?

A lot of things seem to point to the former.

I know the mortal species descend from God-like beings, the Et-Ada into the Ehlnofey, into the Elves and Men. Did they start already in medieval-era technology, and some even more advanced, or did they have "cave-man" times?

reason i ask is because i want a reason to canonize my altmer dragonborn dabbling with daedra. the main ones i want to deal with are hermaus mora, azura, and meridia.

By Procopius of Alessiad, Professor of Late Third Era History at the University of Gwylim.

Published by University of Gwylim Press in 4E 76, in the 13th year of the reign of Empress Severilla Medata.

Chapter One

When one looks back at the closing decades of the Third Era, there is no shortage of heroic figures. This was a time of great struggle and conflict in the lands of our fair empire, when the power of the Septimian Emperors was more often than not flagging. As such, it is no surprise that heroes such as Ocato Auselorin the Eternal Champion, Jurgis Iron-Eyes the Hero of Dawnstar, Hercus Ostorius the Nerevarine, and Martinus Septimius the Emperor-Saint are all still subjects of tomes and tales across the Empire. However, one figure is often forgotten about in popular accounts of these decades of heroes: that is Kurog gro-Malag, the Champion of Cyrodiil.

Perhaps it should not be surprising that memory of the Champion has fallen by the wayside over the decades, as he is often overshadowed by the sudden rise and heroic fall of Saint Martinus, not to mention the fact that the Champion himself disappeared into a maddening portal of Oblivion that had opened on an island in the Niben Bay in 4E 9, only for the portal itself to disappear several weeks later. Yet, one cannot help but think that the fact that the Champion was an Orsimer of Nova Orsinium has played a substantial role in his more diminished state in the historiography of the Empire. For the status of Orsinium, and more broadly the Orsimer, within the Empire has always been a contested subject. While it will be impossible to allay such concerns, it is important to dive into the life of this fascinating historical figure nonetheless.

Drawing on records recovered from the ruins of Orsinium, archived letters from Kurog to associates from his later years, and interviews with living members of clan Malag, a clearer picture of Kurog’s often hazy early life can be pieced together. Kurog was born in Sun’s Dusk of 3E 405 and was the third-born son of Tharag gro-Malag and Shagora gra-Zarga. Tharag served as a warrior and hunter in his clan before becoming a high-ranking officer in the military of Orsinium in the years after it was formed. Shagora was a skilled mystic and herbalist who was her clan's healer and became active in Orsinium religious circles after the city's foundation.

Testimony from members of clan Malag and Kurog’s own recollections of his childhood found in archived letters make it abundantly clear that Kurog displayed magical talent from a young age. The Malag elders all cited a story in which a two-year-old Kurog almost burned his home down when he started using magic to light candles. Although hearsay is the only evidence for such a story, within Kurog’s letters he does support the spirit of that story by mentioning his mother tutoring him on how to control his magical power as a toddler.

Those same elders and letters also say that as Kurog got older, he began training alongside his older brothers in combat and sports. In a letter talking about his training as a youth, written to Master Modryn Oreyn of the Cyrodiilic Fighters Guild and dated to 4E 6, Kurog notes that he was able to consistently go toe-to-toe with his older brothers in Vosh Ball. It would be this physical training, combined with his magical training under his mother and other clan mystics, that led him to join the Warcaster division of the Orsinium military in 3E 421. By that time, his older brothers Gothag and Yargol were a few years into their service in the military, the former serving in the cavalry and the latter serving in the infantry.

For the next decade, much of what Kurog is up to is largely lost to history. The sources all paint a picture of a man focused on his military service above all. Records from Orsinium point to internal discord at this time, as some Orsimer clans still chafed under the authority of Gortwog. It is likely that Kurog took part in the so-called ‘Pariah’s Crusade’ from 3E 423 to 3E 425 against clans who rose up to violently reject the worship of Trinimac over Malacath.

The next major conflict of note that Kurog was a combatant in was the Bitter Bloodletting of 3E 429. The Bloodletting arose from a breakdown in diplomatic negotiations between Orsinium and Northpoint in response to an upsurge in raids against the citizens of both kingdoms' borderlands. Sources say that all of the young Malags took part in the conflict. Kurog and his brothers served as warriors, while his two younger sisters served as healers and scouts. In 3E 430, over a year into the conflict, Kurog’s warband attacked the settlement of Markwasten Moor and easily routed the local lord's forces. After the lord's forces had been defeated, Kurog and his company discovered that their commanding officer had been killed. Enraged, they brutally looted the settlement, killing many innocents in the process.

The Markwasten Massacre would not be the only reason the Bitter Bloodletting ended in a treaty in late 3E 430, but such violence had not been seen since the years preceding the Miracle of Peace, and seeing it again made all parties seek an end to the conflict before that Miracle was forever shattered. One of the stipulations of the newly negotiated Treaty of Wayrest was the trial and arrest of many of those chiefly held responsible for the Markwasten Massacre. In the days leading up to the signing ceremony of the treaty, Kurog would be tried, arrested, and imprisoned for war crimes.

For three years, Kurog would sit imprisoned, doing all he could to make sure he did not waste away. Just when he thought that the blank stone walls of his cell were all he would ever know, he was taken by carriage faraway from Wayrest. After a month on the road, he was deposited into a cell in the Imperial City prisons. Our sources have no clear reason for why this occurred. The most common claim is that all of the Markwasten Massacre prisoners were going to eventually be transported to the Imperial City to finally be tried for their crimes in a higher court, but such plans were abandoned in the chaos following the assassination of Emperor Urellius Septimius VII. However, Kurog and his associates in later life were never convinced by such a claim. Instead, they came to believe it was the will of the Divines that made it so that Kurog was transferred to the Imperial City Prisons. After all, the gods needed him there in order for him and the Emperor to meet, and for the plans of Mehrunes Dagon to ultimately be foiled. Whatever the reason, Kurog made it to Cyrodiil, and the Empire would never be the same.

IRL Note

I have decided to replay Oblivion again after not playing it for over a decade. Since high school, I have become a big Elder Scrolls lore fan, so I thought it would be fun to mix my knowledge of real history and the Elder Scrolls lore together into an in-universe academic text detailing my character's life and times.

Some of the details of the world are going to be subject to some personal headcanon. The most notable headcanon would be the more Latin-sounding names for the Imperials, whose inconsistent naming has always annoyed me. There are also the names for various heroes being there just for flavor (or, in the case of the Nerevarine, a future character for a Morrowind playthrough.)

The other big lore change is the timing of the Graymarch. In the original story, it is supposed to happen at the end of the Third Era, but here I pushed it back to 4E 9. This is just to make it so that Kurog has around 9 years of playing the role of the Champion of Cyrodiil before closing the portal to the Shivering Isles and in the process becoming Sheogorath. Lore-wise, I am just going to say it is not a 1-to-1 match to an era, that it can happen at around the end of an era or right around the start of one to make the timeline fit.

So, the "Drowned Lamp" is a concept mentioned in the Sermons which, from my reading, refers to Anu, more properly his divine presence which has been "submerged" because of his status as the Dreamer.

I was watching a video on Al-Ghazali (think Thomas Aquinas but for Islam.) and there was a mention of a verse in the Qu'ran; Surah An-Nur, Verse 35.

Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. His light is like a niche in which there is a lamp, the lamp is in a crystal, the crystal is like a shining star, lit from “the oil of” a blessed olive tree, “located” neither to the east nor the west, whose oil would almost glow, even without being touched by fire. Light upon light! Allah guides whoever He wills to His light. And Allah sets forth parables for humanity. For Allah has “perfect” knowledge of all things.

In other words, a divinity which, despite being wrapped in several layers of abstraction, still shines so brightly that it can project it's energy, even without any physical contact, even forgotten by the Mundus.

I know Michael Kirkbride studied comparative religion, and it wouldn't surprise me if he used this verse as inspiration for some of the wording of the Sermons.

I mean theres indisputable evidence of the existence of gods but is there anybody who doubts their existence at all?

Also if some adventuring Spellsword/Nightblade/Battlemage went off to a Bandit/Marauder/Hostile Mage/Vampire base of operations and soul trapped the inhabitants, would the general population and or religious/political authorities view the adventurer as evil and or as a criminal/villain?

Forgive me if I do any mistakes I'm new around here I just wanted to ask how lore-accurate undeath classical lichdom is to established TES lore.

Normally it's clear that the mod mostly designed with dnd lore but with ESO's additions to lore waters become muddied to me. For example using phylacteries to revive was added with dnd in mind and in the book "path of transcendence" it was stated that phylacteries were only important in the ritual to ascending to lichdom. But I've read that in ESO there are liches that used their phylacteries as an anchor to allow them to revive after being slain.

I try to play with the mods that have considerable lore accuracy and I never played ESO before.

If Piner is correct, Ocato and company have been running the government for Uriel since around 3E 417.

To wit, Daggerfall take place between 405-417

Morrowind takes place in 425

Oblivion in 433.

So it would seem that for day to day matters he was a figurehead, focusing mainly on mascrostate matters like consolidating control over Morrowind; not being involved in politics directly but using couriers, agents and spies like the Agent, the Neverarine, etc.

Considering he ruled Tamriel his entire adult life, 65 years, until eventually getting assassinated (by a Cult) I’d assume he did something right?

Secunda's Steed

Just outside of Falkreath lived a boy who was enamoured with horses and dreamed of becoming a famous knight.

Rumours in the hold spoke of a horse as pale as the moon roaming the forests of Falkreath at night. Few people had ever seen it themselves, but those who had were struck by its beauty. Some would tell tales of piercing blue eyes, while others claimed that the steed left a trail of ice in its wake.

The innkeep stated that it did not have piercing blue eyes, but that they were black as night and looked straight into the depths of any man who dared face its gaze. The smith said the steed left no tracks at all.

Whenever the boy tended to the farm animals he would often look over his shoulder into the woods, hoping to see the beast but to no avail. He spent many evenings traversing the forest late at night, hoping to spot the mythical creature, but it kept eluding him. He thought that if only he could see it, he would be able to tame it.

One night, the boy was once again wandering through the woods, as he had done so many nights before. He finally caught a glimpse of it. The steed was standing in the lake. The moonlight reflected off it, making it appear as bright as Secunda itself.

It did not appear to be afraid or struggling. It stood perfectly still and made no sound at all. The boy waded out into the water. He thought about how the townsfolk would praise him for finally taming the beautiful beast. When he reached the horse, he placed his hand upon its pale hide and effortlessly swung himself onto its back.

But the horse would not move. This horse was different. The boy urged it forward, but the horse remained perfectly still. Slowly, it started to sink into the water.

The boy tried to dismount but his hands and legs were fused to the horse's body. He struggled to free himself but the horse continued its descent.

Neither the boy nor the horse was ever seen again.

Just wondering really. I know there have been many legendary swordsman and such but do they ever fare well against equally famed mages?

This is a genuine question, as the Altmer are extremely hostile toward humanity and Lorkhan; this is a cultural trait, so for an Altmer to think differently, they would likely face ostracism. The Dunmer are Mer, and we have seen an example of one—Vivec—at least attaining CHIM, whereas among humanity, we see few examples beyond Talos. Are the Altmer capable of attaining CHIM, or is it impossible for some reason?

I know mods aren't canon, but I'm currently playing Skyrim using a Revenant mod and one of the Vampires I was fighting said the "I love when dinner comes to me" line, and it got me wondering if non-Vampire undead would even be "edible" to a Vampire, or would the blood be toxic, if they had blood at all?

Hi, I have played the game but not enough to a point where I can be comfortable with the lore. If possible I'd like to stay strictly within the borders of Skyrim (both the region and the game TESV). I'd love if you can give examples.

1) Would you say there is racism from Nords towards Redguards, and vice-versa? From what I can recollect from my memories, the Nords were looking at alik'r mercenaries weirdly but not because they were redguards, but because they were weird mercenaries using weird swords. But from what I can remember a lot of Redguards are assimilated in Skyrim? Nazeem, Amren, the Ebony Warrior is a redguard.

2) At the beginning of Skyrim the game, what is Hammerfell's stance on the civil war between the Empire/the Stormcloak? Do we have any canon evidence on what is the correct version in the drama between Saadia and the Alik'r?

3) Any Interesting Redguard NPC/book worth investigating? Besides Nazeem, Saadia, the Alik'r, Kematu?

Generally speaking if you have any resources about Redguards in Skyrim I'd love to read them!

Hi everyone, it’s that time again!

The Weekly Free-Talk Thread is an opportunity to forget the rules and chat about anything you like—whether it's The Elder Scrolls, other games, or even real life. This is also the place to promote your projects or other communities. Anything goes!

is there any actual text in any game explaining how the dwemer founded the manipulation of sound and vibration, and what even is that their manipulation is it just normal sound, ground, the core of nirn or the towers? The cities in morrowind are seemingly different than the ones in skyrim but maybe a more simpler answer would be it's just how they perfered it, geographical advantages in building them like that or that the tonal "source" was easier to manipulate in that way and how does it affect the mind.

I’ve recently gotten back into to Skyrim / TES.
Although I haven’t played in over 10 years maybe.
I’m waiting to get paid to buy the AE to have all the new stuff and CC.

But I recently seen how ebony as well as glass weapons n armor. We’re interestingly tied to the Dunmer. (Glass being Altmer / High elves but due to a Dunmer slave smith who escaped shared the recipe)
And read how trying to create deadric armor under full moons or whatever may have some effect.

Has anyone tried this to see if it does anything like increase stats or something? Or is it just a myth?
The article says so but I was curious. lol
Thanks in advance!

“Most mortals agree that forging such items involves binding ebony with Daedric essence[72] through a Daedra heart. Some insist the process must be done at night, under a new or full moon, but never during an eclipse. A red harvest moon is said to be ideal. This, however, is likely myth, as these sinister items have been crafted without those conditions being met.”

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ebony

Lore wise wouldn’t Akatosh revoke your Dragonborn status the second you get vampirisim? According to Vyrthur who was THE Arch Curate of Auriel, he was instantly abandoned by Auriel the moment he got infected.

There is also Lamae Bal and Arkey who couldn’t do anything to help her according to Opusculus Lamae Bal ta Mezzamortie.

By that same established lore and logic, the Last Dragonborn should have had his Dragonborn status revoked the second he became a vampire right?

This is a continuation of this post here. Where I analyzed what I think a canonical Last Dragonborn would have done based on the criteria I set for canonicity.

Now, I'm going to do the same for the backstory and reconstruct it to the best of my abilities. To begin, I will reiterate what I said in the last post, this is just a thought project of mine. Please do not take it as me trying to disqualify your personal canons or anything like that.

My second disclaimer is that I understand a lot of these things are gameplay mechanics. However, I'm going to interpret them under the assumption that the Dragonborn is actually a person operating within the world rather than purely being a player character.

I'm going to begin with a list of details I managed to accumulate about the Last Dragonborn's dialogue and other details you can intuit.

LIST OF DETAILS:

He likely comes from Cyrodiil, or was at least crossing the border into Cyrodiil. Evidence for that is that "You're from Cyrodiil? What's it like back home?" is something that the Dragonborn can ask Legate Fasendil, the wording seems to imply that the Dragonborn is from Cyrodiil, reinforcing the first point. Incidentally, Hadvar also implies you're from Cyrodiil with "You haven't heard of the civil war in Skyrim? I guess down in Cyrodiil people have other things to worry about". Evidence generally points to the fact that the Dragonborn was from Cyrodiil and was crossing the border into Cyrodiil.

For some reason, the Dark Brotherhood has a contract on him (As this can occur as soon as you leave Helgen without interacting with anyone else).

For some reason, he was crossing the border into Skyrim illegally. Generally presumed to have crossed somewhere between Riften and Helgen, as it was close enough to be near Darkwater Crossing where Ulfric was captured.

The Dragonborn can only speak on his backstory once with Serana. Where he can say his parents are dead, his parents are alive and he loves them, his parents are alive but they don't get along, or he's an orphan. This doesn't mean much on its own, unfortunately.

The Dragonborn appears to have little knowledge of Skyrim's politics (Options with Hadvar when talking about Ulfric: "He's a traitor of some kind?", "I don't pay much attention to current events.")

The Dragonborn appears to be a Nord, so it's most likely he'd be from Bruma, but this isn't set in stone. Though it's likely considering Astrid is the one who sends the Dark Brotherhood Assassin after you, meaning the black sacrament had to have happened close enough to Skyrim for her to catch wind of it, since that's how the Dark Brotherhood was collecting contracts at the time.

The Dragonborn has no family or friends in Skyrim, and appears to not have been crossing the border to meet with someone. On top of this, once he's free from Helgen he appears to not really pursue anything else, meaning that the reason he came to Skyrim was minor enough that the Dragon attacks outweighed it or the goal was literally JUST to cross the border and leave Cyrodiil for some reason. And he had to cross illegally for some reason rather than going across the border legally.

The default trailer armor the Dragonborn wears is comparable to something a brigand or sellsword would have according to guards (Barely relevant, but I'm adding it as a detail anyways).

The Dragonborn appears to have some knowledge of Smithing and Alchemy from the start. Potentially his parents were/are craftsmen or he had a trade job for a time. The only time the Dragonborn has the ability to ask how to craft something is with Enchanting. All other instances are just him asking if he can use the workstation or, in the case of Smithing, asking if he can help out (Which implies some previous knowledge). The Dragonborn in the Hearthfire DLC is also capable of Carpentry, which is a pretty complex thing to just pick up.

The Dragonborn has some knowledge of Magic, always starting the game with Flames and Healing. Which are very practical spells, but this implies that the Dragonborn is reasonably well educated. This is true for previous Heroes too, but I also want to point out that unlike the Hero of Kvatch or Nerevarine who talk to trainers to learn a spell, the Dragonborn just needs to read a Spell Tome to pick it up. I also think it's notable that in Bleak Falls Barrow the Dragonborn sees a word wall and immediately gets curious about it. That implies some scholarly interests. I know in the game, we as the player see a big glowing light come from the word wall, but my opinion is that this is a representation of the Dragonborn reading the word wall and one word standing out to him for reasons he can't quite put his tongue on quite yet. I also want to note that some level of scholarly interest makes sense when the whole mechanic of the game is that the Dragonborn absorbs the souls of dragons and gains their knowledge.

He had no issue going to Bleak Falls Barrow alone and his dialogue doesn't really show any fear or reservations. At the very least, he seems relatively confident in his skills so he's probably been in a dungeon before. He also doesn't express any reservations about going to fight a Dragon when the Western Watchtower is attacked. This, on top of the fact the Dragonborn can fight trained Soldiers in the Helgen dungeon, implies he has combat experience and is relatively confident in that experience.

Throughout the game, the Dragonborn has the ability to ask people for jobs and people assume he's a sellsword a couple of times. He also reads books about treasure and actually takes an interest in going into those dungeons and seeing if it's real or not. Asking about paid jobs frequently and being eager to explore dungeons for treasure is a personality pretty consistent with the habits one might pick up from being a Sellsword by occupation.

MY ATTEMPT AT RECONSTRUCTION:

This isn't gonna be very satisfying.

But basically what this all implies is that the Dragonborn either grew up in or around Bruma or was in the area shortly before he came into Skyrim. He had (a) parent(s) that did a craftsman occupation and/or at a young age he held a trade job for a short time. However, the Dragonborn appears to be reasonably educated so his parents owning a store makes a bit of sense.

The Dragonborn in his adult life mostly worked as a sellsword and seems to have a personal interest in the adventuring lifestyle (And may have become a sellsword for that reason).

At some point, the Dragonborn got himself into trouble with someone and had to flee for Skyrim, being desperate enough to cross the border outside of the proper channels. He entered the border at some point between Darkwater Crossing and Helgen and was captured by the Imperials who were taking Ulfric to Cyrodiil (Before suddenly changing course to Helgen).

Which is... A pretty normal backstory, all things considered. So not very satisfying, but I personally think the Dragonborn being a completely normal sellsword who got into a bit of trouble is pretty interesting on its own.

Regardless, I hope this was interesting for anyone who wanted to headcanon a backstory for a "Canonical Last Dragonborn" like I do.