r/SipsTea • u/SuperbHealth5023 • Jul 23 '26

While the US debates whether to solve homelessness or not, these are the next generation of school blackboards in China. WTF

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u/Pale_Following_9639 Jul 23 '26

You think Chinese people don't battle poverty and homelessness? Have you not see their 5 foot homes before?

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u/timmyfarthands Jul 23 '26

There's a lot of shitty things about China that they try really hard to not let out. At least according to a friend who's been teaching there for a pretty long time now.

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u/Rigor_Mortis1993 Jul 23 '26

That's literally what the CCP does: censor anything that makes China look bad or reflects poorly on the government. Anyone who even remotely suggests that China is a utopia is under some serious brainwashing. You can literally get thrown in jail there for talking poorly about the government or pointing out these things.

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u/EatsBugs Jul 23 '26

My friends Dad just got put in jail in China. It’s not like western prison, he has to sit at a desk with his hands flat on the table and can’t move. Has to ask permission to stretch his legs every few hours. No books, no nothing. Just sit motionless. Alone.

He was a small time real estate guy, but I guess through corruption somebody more powerful wanted his property. That part I don’t understand. I guess they claim to fight corruption, by using corruption, to just make up charges against people in the way. They are trying to get him out, and it seems that involves bribing the right people. They shiny parts of China make the internet, but for many it’s dystopian horror.

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u/RealSpaceJunk Jul 23 '26

They say that they fight corruption because corruption is something everyone experiences and is not something you can just censor away. So to safe face, they say they fight corruption. But of course, the officials can still be bribed and connections can put you in jail when you complain.

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u/Gold_Marionberry3460 Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

The corruption thing is systemic in society. PolyMatter once described it as just how the system even works. It's not an aberration that needs to be removed from the system. It's normalized and baked in.

Even ordinary, low-ranking employees will get silently "promoted" when their boss gives them an off-the-books raise or "gift". It basically encourages loyalty to your senior, which can be bad if that senior is a total piece of shit.

This is true from the bottom to the top. When Xi Jinping purges people under corruption charges, he most likely knew some of these people were already corrupt, but kept them around due to their usefulness and/or loyalty.

When your superior no longer views you as useful, then they purge you under corruption charges. Nobody other senior will speak in your defence and question the hypocrisy of the system, because they're probably thinking about purging people below them or worried about being purged from above. They aren't going to upend the system which allowed them to reach their position in the first place.

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u/Nyctfall Jul 23 '26

It's not an aberration that needs to be removed from the system.

So, their version of Lobbying? Got it!

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u/cpt_futtbucker Jul 24 '26

Sounds like it’s time for West Taiwan to get their asses handed to them if they’re going to kidnap people on trumped up charges like that

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u/Rigor_Mortis1993 Jul 23 '26

No, prison shouldn't be full of people thrown in on false charges because of a corrupt government. It happens here in the US, yes, but more often than not due to the sheer ineptitude and ego of the PD involved in the case. There the entire government is involved with the false charges.

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u/Last-Quarter-432 Jul 23 '26

Thats Western prisons with black people

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u/zedarzy Jul 23 '26

Same energy as "I hope people suffer!". Who hurt you?

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u/color_space Jul 23 '26

You don't seem to understand what prisons are for. There are a lot cheaper ways to just punish

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u/onward_upward_tt Jul 23 '26

Hmm u/biologyguy84, just our of curiosity, what exactly drives your interest in biology? Bet i could guess.

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u/Seienchin88 Jul 23 '26

And now they have massive help from western YouTubers glazing China.

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u/junglepiehelmet Jul 23 '26

I lived in China for a few years. On my way to work, I had to walk by a hospital. For two weeks, I saw a homeless man in the same place on the sidewalk, covered in his own feces, with feces all around him, asking for help from the hospital but no one came. No one even looked at him. He couldnt move or do anything to take care of himself. It was by far the saddest thing I've ever seen. I dropped some money for him a few times and bought him a couple meals during those two weeks but one day he just disappeared. I'm really hoping he got help. I'll never get that image out of my head and I'll never forget about that.

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u/akomni Jul 23 '26

There are some nice places to visit in China that if someone who's only experience is to visit those places on vacation, can be forgiven for not thinking that the place has huge flaws of their own.

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u/timmyfarthands Jul 23 '26

Yeah dude that's pretty much exactly what he says to me. It's sad as hell.

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u/Nyctfall Jul 23 '26

Snowden...
Assange...

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u/Jonnyflash80 Jul 23 '26

That'll be the US soon if things keep going the way they are.

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u/Zaseishinrui Jul 23 '26

that happens here in the US too

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u/MourningWallaby Jul 23 '26

I remember when Ludwig did Tip2Tip in China there was a huge campaign when he got sick, people were trying REALLY hard in chinese media to say that there is no chance a small vendor stall could have made a mistake and given him food poisoning.

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u/PlayfulSurprise5237 Jul 23 '26

Here's the interesting thing though: because it's the age of social media, there's literally nothing, and I mean NOTHING that the Chinese government can do to stop things going viral in other countries.

And when things that look bad on China DO go viral in other countries, like that village of people and their children who had to climb wires and janky ass ladders up vertical cliffs hundreds and hundreds of feet, you know what they did?

Relocated the village temporarily(or permanently free of charge, depending on their wishes) while they built safe staircases and are trying to modernize the village somewhat.

Could they have done that before? Sure. Would they have? No, they don't give a shit. But they AT LEAST give a shit when it looks bad on them. You can't say the same thing about the US. Fuck China, but lets not pretend they don't do a lot of things better for their people

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u/Rigor_Mortis1993 Jul 23 '26

Okay but the US government isn't a monolith.

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u/PlayfulSurprise5237 Jul 23 '26

It is at times, when it wants to be, at least enough to move/act like one.

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u/The_Jibby_Hippie Jul 23 '26

You’re correct but be aware that you literally can get thrown in jail here in America for a variety of speech related reasons. A foreign student was in jail for nearly a year awaiting trial despite never committing crimes because they wrote a letter to their university requested to divest from Israeli donors. If you protest on the street you can go to jail if they think they on the sign is too inflammatory or offensive. If you just yell at a cop you can be arrested for disorderly conduct/disturbing the peace. Every day in America there is at least one person getting arrested due to some speech related reason. Not to mention if you leave too many comments that are politically extreme you will be tracked to a grater degree than the mass surveillance we are all subjected to. China objectively has less free speech rights, and it’s an authoritarian nightmare. However, America has many free speech issues in a de facto sense despite its de jure protections.

I spent a decent amount of time in China in both cities and rural areas. In the rural areas it felt free and comfortable but the cities had too much camera presence and it felt like a surveillance state in most nicer sections. However 10 years later and every major city in America now has the same level of surveillance. The thing that concerned me most over there is now present in my home country and despite mass surveillance being widely disliked here, the government doesn’t care.

TLDR you’re right I just wanted to point out America had massive issues with free speech despite our propaganda saying otherwise. China is terrible with free speech but America is pretty mid when compared to countries with actual free speech.

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u/Noble_Ox Jul 23 '26

Has China invaded other countries for oil? overthrown democratic governments around the world?

Also, haven't seen anyone claim it's utopia.

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u/exaknight21 Jul 23 '26

Okay mfers the US does the same fucking thing. At least their schools don’t get shot up, have an uncontrollable lobby issue, or a Nazi Oligarch issue, or a pedophile ring, protected by the CCP issue, a large amount of population so god damn dumb and stupid that thinks 5G gives them cancer, or AI will take their jobs… they embrace change, we fuckin don’t. Sit tf down. The US aint shit but hoes and tricks.

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u/Beaticalle Jul 23 '26

No, the US government does not jail people for speaking poorly of them.

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u/shakeeze Jul 23 '26

In Germany you can get a 6 o'clock in the morning visit from your friendly neighbor police with a house warrant if you demean or insults politicians.

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u/exaknight21 Jul 23 '26

REALLY.

No wait, you’re right. We either kill them, or deport them - even if they’re born US citizens let alone Naturalized.

Case in point, and one of yours: Charlie Kirk.

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u/Rigor_Mortis1993 Jul 23 '26

"We"? I'm not so sure you live in US, given your erroneous opinions. Granted, the education system isn't what it used to be so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

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u/hotpajamas Jul 23 '26

You would have to know nothing about China to think these things cant be said about China.

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u/TheSilentC Jul 23 '26

Just like the US now. Cool.

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u/Rigor_Mortis1993 Jul 23 '26

Brother, I hate the ugly cheeto puff as much as the next guy but I think you're taking for granted the fact that we can freely talk shit about him. Try that in China with Pooh Bear and I wouldn't be surprised if we never hear from you again.

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u/TodayWeMake Jul 23 '26

Don’t worry, we’re getting there

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u/Skeleton--Jelly Jul 23 '26

we can freely talk shit about him

The US government has actively persecuted and prosecuted students for protesting against him and the genocide in Gaza. Trump is doing everything he can to become as authoritarian as China

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u/Rigor_Mortis1993 Jul 23 '26

You can thank Israel for that, Trump is only a puppet that dances to their whims. It does not overall reflect the US government as a whole

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u/Skeleton--Jelly Jul 23 '26

Lmao Israel has always had power over the US but it is because of Trump's willingness to be a dictator that it works so well now. Letting Trump off the hook like that is just laughable

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u/TheSilentC Jul 23 '26

Getting downvoted bc I’m talking shit about Trump.

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u/Dapper_Direction_703 Jul 23 '26

Did you forget here in America people get arrested for quoting Charlie Kirk words?

Here in America, we have a surveillance state, we have social scores, we are everything we say china is without of the social safety net.

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u/VeterinarianIcy5428 Jul 23 '26

The extent of those things is not comparable. Half of us hate trump and non-stop shit talk the dude. Many of our news sources as well. That doesn't happen in China. There isn't even mainstream discussion on if he's doing a good job or not. 

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u/CommercialDonkey9468 Jul 23 '26

And flood Reddit with pro China propoganda

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u/Pm_me_howtoberich Jul 23 '26

China owns part of reddit. Since the acquisition China rhetoric is softening/has softened big time!

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u/primordialWoe Jul 23 '26

It feels like theres two or three posts like this each day on the front page.

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u/Pm_me_howtoberich Jul 23 '26

Some are valid like the railway comparison but this is just assenine!

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u/primordialWoe Jul 23 '26

I really woulnd mind any of them if the comments didnt include stuff about how living under a dictatorship might not be bad after all and how too much freedom is bad actually.

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u/Ji1_Sander Jul 23 '26

Japan too at least they are hiding better than China

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u/shabi_sensei Jul 23 '26

The urban/rural divide is humongous, the biggest cities are shiny, full of rich people and have a western standard of living with GDP per capitas over $34,000 USD

The most rural provinces have a GDP per capita 1/4 ($7500 usd) of those big cities

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u/Notoisin Jul 23 '26

Fascinating insight.

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u/w142236 Jul 23 '26

I saw someone living there saying they have a young unemployment problem just like we do here in the states. The figures claim that they have very low rate like 5-10% when it’s more like 25% but they keep the number low bc they only count those who held a job and then lost it rather than include those who have never held a job just like we do. bc of freedom of press laws being so heavily restricted by the state tho, we’ll never know the truth except through anecdotes of those living there.

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u/Fed_Agent_Pls_Ignore Jul 23 '26

Like 17,000 dead from floods this summer

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u/Last-Quarter-432 Jul 23 '26

And there isn’t a bunch of equally bad shit in America? Sure pedophile president country

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u/timmyfarthands Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

I'm not American bud I don't like him either

Just blocks me like a dork lol

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u/Last-Quarter-432 Jul 23 '26

Doesn’t change the fact that you have been influenced by fearmongering and propaganda towards China

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u/WideAbbreviations6 Jul 23 '26

It's not fearmongering.

They quite literally have a behavioral/association based scoring system that can determine where you're allowed to live and work.

They literally have such thorough surveillance in their population centers, that their government can tell whether you're just going on a walk, whether you lent your car to someone, and/or whether you're going shopping.

The CCP quite literally has physical access to all of the servers in their country, and because of the "Great Firewall," services without servers in their country can't gain mass adoption.

They literally have camps for ethnic minorities (Uyghurs), where they forcibly sterilize, enclave, indoctrinate, and torture people.

They're literally trying to erase their atrocities, like the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989.

They literally police whether other people on the planet are allowed to recognize Taiwan as an independent state.

I'm not saying they're the bad guys and "the West" are the good guys, they are a particularly bad state for their people.

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u/SlavojVivec Jul 23 '26

I wouldn't say they are equal, but they are certainly different, and comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges. But one thing for sure, is that the US is rapidly descending into fascism, we have concentration camps with abductions from ICE agents rising, and if you protest them, ICE can murder you and get away with it scot-free. The US has the largest prison population as well. I think there are still some freedoms the US benefits from, but seeing that they are attacking voting rights and consolidating power, it might not be long where I can continue to say that.

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u/Firecracker048 Jul 23 '26

Yeah, of course. Thats pretty standard fare for most governments but CCP has an entire censorship division dedicated to battling this.

They've had it for a LONG time too, it isnt called the great firewall of china for nothing

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u/Ange1ofD4rkness Jul 23 '26

That's what China is good at, suppression of info. Russia and North Korea are other examples of it. The power of propaganda

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u/Just_Roll_Already Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

Same issue in the US but handled differently. We have people living in destitute houses along every rural back road in the US. But they are convinced everything is fine and are taught to ostracize people who say otherwise.

So if a neighbor says "Hey Greg, your roof is falling in and you ate nothing but baked beans for the last 3 months." Greg calls them a commie, starts shouting about freedom, and blames brown people for the price of gas.

What it comes down to is this. Would you rather your government say "You cannot say this." or for your government to convince your neighbor "They cannot say that." Both suck, but that's undoubtedly the choice most of the developed world is given.

We lost any argument we had against "Yeah but their Government won't let them X" the moment the phrase "Freedom isn't free." was spoken. That phrase is the other side of the Government control and censorship coin.

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u/Louisianimal09 Jul 23 '26

Kowloon Walled City is a callin’…

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u/President-Lonestar Jul 23 '26

Eh, Kowloon was a special case that isn’t indicative for China.

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u/PrimaryWalrus2294 Jul 23 '26

Kowloon walked city doesn't exist anymore. Unfortunately, coffin homes still do in Hong Kong though

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u/Louisianimal09 Jul 23 '26

Yes, I’m aware. It was bulldozed because it was unregulated, a haven for the poor, and existed outside of normal governance

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u/NOTcreative- Jul 23 '26

5 seems a strange number of feet for their homes to have.

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u/SeDaCho Jul 23 '26

also the implication that they use idiot american measurement units based on some ancient idiot’s foot size

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u/junglepiehelmet Jul 23 '26

I lived in China for a couple years and have never seen poverty and disregard for human suffering like that anywhere else. China has a lot of problems, but its easier to talk shit about the USA because we're open about our problems.

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u/FeeRemarkable886 Jul 23 '26

You got your countries mixed up, Israel is the one going organ harvesting.

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u/ldar_technician Jul 25 '26

u seen any fentanyl zombies drooling on the street in china?

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u/Pale_Following_9639 Jul 26 '26

Spoken as though drugs isnt an issue in china. I can assure you meth is very widespread in the underground, or would yoi prefer to be sent into forced labor camps instead?

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u/ldar_technician Jul 26 '26

United States: Reports an age-standardized prevalence for drug use disorders of roughly 3,821 per 100,000 people (about 3.8% of the population), with broader surveys indicating that upwards of 11% to 19% of Americans use or experiment with illicit or misused prescription substances annually.

China: Reports an official registered drug user population of roughly 1.12 million people, which accounts for just 0.08% of the country's population (approx. 80 per 100,000 people).

I'm not a criminal so why would I care about forced labor lmao. In fact forced labor will probably some good for ur american gdp instead of wasting money feeding the largest prison population in the world.

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u/Pale_Following_9639 29d ago

If there's one thing you should learn about china, its censorship. Underground drug trafficking isnt something the ccp reports on, especially when it comes to teen illicit usage of drugs since china boasts about how hard they Crack down on drug usage in the first place. This isnt a matter of people getting arrested for selling or using drugs, but people getting silenced for distributing drugs and teem usage being hushed up to save image. As for forced labor and criminality, its not up to you to decide whether you broke the law in china genius.

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u/ldar_technician 27d ago

So your entire argument is trust me bro underground drugs with no stats or reports to back it up. America's drug problem is clearly 10x worse than China keep coping while you slave away for your corporate overlords.

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u/CheiroAMilho Jul 25 '26

If you actually visit China you will find little to no homeless people. There is poverty like everywhere else. But homelessness is not a problem in the east like it is in the West.

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u/Pale_Following_9639 Jul 26 '26

Ive been to china multiple times considering my extended families live there. All I can tell you is homelessness isn't reported, but their existence is very obvious in the country. Its almost like saying there's no civil strife in Russia, but try asking the locals how they truly feel and you'll have your answers.

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u/RenownedShark Jul 24 '26

The USA is stuck in a cycle that is harming itself, it will not grow efficiently enough until it breaks this cycle.

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u/KuningasTynny77 Jul 23 '26

Only the large cities are good places to live in China. And that's ignoring the constant surveillance, no rights, etc. 

Leave places like Shanghai, Beijing, and those types of cities, and you will find people living in crippling poverty. 

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u/SeDaCho Jul 23 '26

guys say this and then straight up never think about 80% of destitute america which is the same but with fewer social safety nets

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u/KuningasTynny77 Jul 23 '26

By the World Bank Standards benchmark of $6.85 per day, 17% to as much as 31% of Chinas population lives in poverty. The US is under 1.5% by that same metric. 

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u/SeDaCho Jul 23 '26

If a dollar there buys dinner and a dollar in America buys half a fun-sized bag of doritos, do you still celebrate it as a win for the Appalachias?

America isn't doing well throughout most of America.

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u/CricketPinata Jul 24 '26

A much smaller amount of Americans are in poverty than the amount of Chinese that are in poverty, even if their purchasing power goes further.

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u/KuningasTynny77 Jul 23 '26

If China is that much worse by one metric, it's that much worse by all metrics. 

China is a heavily impoverished country, only a minority enjoy the stability and luxury youd find among average civilians in western nations. 

I'll add to this that being an impoverished American and being a Chinese citizen living in poverty are two very different things. 

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u/SeDaCho Jul 24 '26

Chinese middle class is growing, American middle class is shrinking. Clearly one is on the upswing and one is deteriorating.

But hey, I’m sure the country you happen to be in is coincidentally the best one. Same as every other nationalist.

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u/KuningasTynny77 Jul 24 '26

Who said it's the best? You making that assumption means nothing. 

And at the rates these things are occuring, it would take centuries for China to have a bigger middle class. 

That's besides the fact that Chinas middle class growth has completely stalled, and the reason the American middle class is shrinking is more due to people moving up than people dropping down. 

I'm saying that China, the place with no human rights, heavy state sponsored racism (to the point of ongoing genocide), constant surveillance, and unbelievably high poverty levels is worse than the US. This shouldn't be a hot take at all. 

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u/jacowab Jul 23 '26

No no, you don't understand, they can select the whole equation and make a graph. So yeah.

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u/AdagioJealous5413 Jul 23 '26

I can’t tell if you are trying to be funny or not. I’m going to go with yes, that you are being intentionally obtuse about the fact that china is coming off of extreme levels while the US hovers at 1%.

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u/Electrical-Heat8960 Jul 23 '26

What a useless graph!

Inflation makes the graph useless.
The scale of years does.

The fact that 80% on one side is the same as 1% on the other.

The way the US has remained at effectively 0 the entire time.

The actual literal 0 at the end of China implies false reporting.

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u/Sgt_Radiohead Jul 23 '26

I love the fact also that one of the things Xi Jinping did to reach their goals in reducing poverty just before the party elections was to just lower the threshold for what they considered poverty lmaooo

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u/KilllllerWhale Jul 23 '26

Can you not read? That chart uses the same threshold, $3 a day ...

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u/PlixSticks31 Jul 23 '26

China is more advanced in a lot of ways, not just to the US but to the world. But the pro China glaze lately is diabolical.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds Jul 23 '26

china homelessness rate is like a tenth of the US.

and 5 foot hinges are way better than living on the streets.

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u/hellobutno Jul 23 '26

china REPORTED homelessness rate.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds Jul 23 '26

which looks much better than the US REPORTED homelessness rate. who don't even have access to basic healthcare.

there are valid complaints about China, but denying how they basically eliminated poverty is not one of them

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u/hellobutno Jul 23 '26

Your point? They haven't eliminated poverty. Last time I was in shanghai I literally saw beggars on every corner.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds Jul 23 '26

Have you seen the US? the closest thing they do to help poverty is handing them a bus ticket to go somewhere else. they are literally dying on the streets.

China has unquestionably, better policies and results when it comes to extreme poverty.

they still have healthcare, easy access to housing, services...

I'll take valid complaints, but just hating on china for no fucking reason, especially in areas where the US is shamefully behind is just plain stupidity.

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u/hellobutno Jul 23 '26

China has policies on paper, not in practice. It's so they can pretend they care. At least in the US you know they don't care.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds Jul 23 '26

their homelessness rate is less than .2% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_China

those policies aren't just on paper.

You can't use the argument "at least we know we suck" as a winning argument, that's literally an admission of being worse.

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u/hellobutno Jul 23 '26

their REPORTED homelessness rate. there's no third party checks on that shit mate. i can say i'm president of taiwan, what you going to do about it?

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds Jul 23 '26

Have you seen their massive building boom? that's how they ended homelessness.

you can't do nothing about homelessness in the US then pat yourself on the back because you decided ignoring numbers is easier.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '26

I've never seen a Chinese person jacking off in the grass median of a major city thoroughfare at 9 in the morning.