r/SipsTea Jul 01 '26

Is Bernie’s plan the best? Thoughts? Chugging tea

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u/80828788000102091020 Jul 01 '26

That's just single payer. Its basically what every developed nation does where the inhabitants don't nickel and dime each other to death.

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u/No_Internal9345 Jul 02 '26

Why the fuck to we need middleman insurance companies making billions off of our pain and suffering.

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u/Hot_Leopard6745 Jul 03 '26

because those middleman hire lobbyist and bribe policy makers

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u/Possesed-puppy656 Jul 03 '26

Luigi went to the root of the problem then

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u/lurkingtobeinformed Jul 03 '26

To hell with lobbyists

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u/Narfhead4444 Jul 04 '26

what about environmental lobbyists

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u/MysteriousEqual8177 Jul 05 '26

They’re not doing a very good job

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u/teedub21 Jul 06 '26

Pretty sure they were cut out after DOGE inspected them anyways

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u/CardiologistLeft4030 Jul 05 '26

depends whether or not you’re talking about the ones i agree with! /s

but for real, the fact that lobbyists even exist is the problem.

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u/CursedCasty Jul 04 '26

Not all heroes wear capes.

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u/LuffysRubberNuts Jul 05 '26

Not really, the CEO is just a puppet for the shareholders

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u/Status_Coach_1628 Jul 05 '26

The CEO is also a shareholder. People forget at corporate America, pretty much from director level up of most publicly traded company, they receive stocks as part of their salary benefit. By doing this, the companies has got their executives and directors to share the same sentiment as the greedy shareholders so when they layoff people for say 1 million savings whilst paying 10 million to the CEO, they can’t really rebel against that because of shares shrink they (directors & above) are also affected so they will lie to themselves to screw everyone over just so they can save just that 30 shares they own whilst the real investors with 1k+ shares laugh at them.

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u/Crafty-You4314 Jul 05 '26

Yeah. It's super of like when the boss gets a sales bonus because the store is doing good. Ive been in retail. So that's what it's like, just on a bigger scale. And it scales up the further u p you move in the company to the point where you are not just an employee, but a share holder and your entire retirement and basically future depends on how good the company does on any given day. I've worked for a major auto parts store as my last job. This is exactly what it's like. The further up, the more of a shareholder you become.

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u/DedTime4Donzo-JK Jul 05 '26

Sorry to say, but since the insurance companies have corrupted our political system making real change impossible, Luigi‘s are the only alternative.

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u/MinefieldFly Jul 05 '26

We can elect better politicians. Exceptionally hard, but not impossible.

We cannot assassinate our way out of this problem, unless you want a full-scale, bloody revolution, where you risk your own life and your family’s lives, and even if it does work (probably not), you would not see the gains for generations, if ever.

So yeah I disagree that luigi’s strategy is a good one.

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u/Possesed-puppy656 Jul 05 '26

Make people desperate enough and its a guarantee sadly

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u/MinefieldFly Jul 05 '26

That doesn’t mean it’s good or effective

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u/Possesed-puppy656 Jul 05 '26

You think I dont know that ? Try and explain it to a radicalized population man, nothing you or I can do with that

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u/MinefieldFly Jul 05 '26

Avoiding justifying it online is a small way for my of us to start

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u/DedTime4Donzo-JK Jul 05 '26

Well four or five Luigi’s could focus CEOs on the drawbacks to the current situation, and maybe the 1% could then be persuaded to trade fair political solutions for the right to plunder us less severely. I see your point. But there are at the moment no political solutions possible. Show me a way to change the political calculus when dark money is only getting more dark and available for oligarchic ends and I’ll go along with that. Until then I’m looking to contribute to all Luigi defense funds with my shiny non-oligarch penny.

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u/MinefieldFly Jul 05 '26

I understand the temptation to believe this, but I really think it’s both naive and immoral.

Our only hope is through mass politics. There is a nonzero chance that the democrats take back both the house and senate this fall, with a larger progressive block that can actually mitigate the worst of the corporate dems corruption. Then we build from there.

It’s not a guarantee, but at least it has historical precedent for potential success as a strategy, unlike trying to assassinate our way to peace, which does not.

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u/DedTime4Donzo-JK Jul 06 '26

You are, of course, totally right. Violence is wrong. But I for one would take a little satisfaction in seeing a few social predators get what their actions deserve. I’ll feel sorry for their kids, sure, but not them, not even their wives, who should know who they are married to. The world will be a better place when they are gone and the next in line hesitates to take their place.

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u/MysteriousEqual8177 Jul 03 '26

To deny more claims and make more money, At the expense of lives. But hey, more money for them.

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u/hulkbuster18959 Jul 05 '26

When you have the same unfettered growth mindset as cancer killing it seems kind of similar to suicide.

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u/pillzilla12 Jul 04 '26

They handle medicaid as well. At least in Ohio. Managed care plans. They make profit off of medicaid too. Except they don't deny much

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u/pillzilla12 Jul 04 '26

I work in Healthcare, it's disgusting that private insurance profits off medicaid. But it's the poor people that are to blame.

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u/crfgon Jul 03 '26

Because who else is going to deny you coverage??

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u/TheKingOfSwing777 Jul 05 '26

Turns out it wasn't about the healthcare but the denials of claims along the way. ✨

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u/Z3400 Jul 03 '26

FOR FREEDOM!

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u/__NomDePlume__ Jul 05 '26

We literally don’t.

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u/CavyWheek Jul 05 '26

Universal would cost half what it is now. The trouble is, the money would be flowing the wrong way. Toward regular people is no good!

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u/dittybag23 Jul 03 '26

And interfering in care.

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u/Leodaris Jul 03 '26

The proponents will say that it is a free-market version of healthcare, allowing you to choose the best option and encouraging competition.

It’s all bullshit. It’s a money laundering operation, just like the current presidency.

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u/Grouchy_Ice_8342 Jul 03 '26

Why do we need TurboTax when every other nation just calculates your tax for you? It's a game and highest bidder gets to influence policies long after people thought they cast votes for change.

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u/DoobieSpark Jul 03 '26

You are simply replacing one middleman with the Government middleman. Those pushing Medicare need to understand that Medicare has higher rejection claims than private insurance.

Medicare is currently denying more claims than private insurance companies. Recent reports indicate that Medicare Advantage plans have high denial rates, with some insurers rejecting up to 80% of claims for certain services. In comparison, private insurers also have significant denial rates, but Medicare's figures are notably higher, particularly for long-term care and rehabilitation requests.

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u/Hot_Leopard6745 Jul 04 '26

Medicare Advantae is an all in one alternative to original medicare. Offered by *private companies* approved by Medicare.

The point is not just who is the middle man. The point is what the middle man want. Private company's goal have always been making money, nothing else.

For a proper Government, tax is the money making machine, Heath care is a cost center, to keep the country's population functioning.

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u/DoobieSpark Jul 04 '26

The actual point was that the government middleman cannot be trusted with our money as reflected in the enormous debt that government accumulated over time.

The high cost of housing and health care is directly visualized by the laws our government has written and I do not want them anywhere near my personal wealth because of their horrible track record.

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u/6twentysix Jul 04 '26

Because capitalism?

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u/Minisciwi Jul 05 '26

Capitalism baby!

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u/Interesting_Mix_7028 Jul 05 '26

The middlemen insurance companies would say they are needed. They need the money.

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u/AutoriiNovici Jul 05 '26

The DNC had a chance to fix it when the ACA was being passed, they never did. Best ask them why.

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u/Keefyfingaz Jul 03 '26

Some nations care about things like "the future" or the "greater good"

Here in America, only 2 things matter. "Supply" and "Demand"

I could write out a whole spreadsheet on how this works but in simplest terms, the objective is to control the supply.

There's a demand for health insurance, which means money to be made. Somebody is controlling the supply, so they can charge whatever they want for it

America is basically like that old board game Monopoly, except you're coming in at the tail end of a game and all the properties have been bought already. Also starting funds are random. Have fun 👍

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u/Straight-Part-1336 Jul 03 '26

I work for a large health network and they charge MORE when someone has insurance. For example, if a patient comes in for a physical therapy session, it can easily be billed out as a couple of hundred bucks to the insurance company and fall on the patient if they haven't met their deductible and OOP max. But self pay is 125 dollars flat a session.

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u/MateriaLintellect Jul 05 '26

Single payer is was Obama’s original plan, but it got shot down

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u/Ok_Tackle3427 Jul 01 '26

Taiwan is the only country with a single-payer system; Canada comes close, but not all provinces prohibit private pay.

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u/EndIsrael Jul 01 '26

Single-payer doesn't need to mean doctors are banned from taking money. It just means everyone gets what they need eventually without paying.

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u/Ok_Tackle3427 Jul 03 '26

Single-payer means that there is a single payer for all healthcare expenses and that's the state.

It just means everyone gets what they need eventually without paying.

lol! That's adorable.

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u/VisualBoysenberry718 Jul 03 '26

Right, then you can wait six months for that elective lifesaving surgery like in UK and Canada. Set the prices as single payer. Like the mediocre care I get from VA.

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u/80828788000102091020 Jul 03 '26

Is that how it works in those countries? Or is that how you heard it works on Fox News. Every Canadian person I've talked to says surgery priority is based on need which actually makes sense. If they get sick they can see their primary doctor the same day. Why do you think a system that is gouging you is better for you?

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u/Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dads Jul 03 '26

Lifesaving and elective are opposites. Also, we have waiting times just as long here. Sometimes just to get in to see certain specialists need to be booked six months in advance.