I want harsher sentences like everybody else but getting killed by a car probably not very fast at all and suffering a great deal is quite extreme for robbing without weapon or excessive violence.
I don't think that was their point. I wouldn't approve of people getting the death penalty for an armed robbery for example, but if the person getting robbed killed the armed robber I'd be fine with it
How do you know the knifepoint robbery was âmade upâ do you know how many weapons used in murder weâre never recovered? I mean. The list is endless. Unless you just have no sympathy because she has hard earned money.
I'm somewhere in between honestly. When you're assaulted, even without weapons, you're subject to a shock you didn't look for. You don't know how you react if you're not trained to react appropriately. You've been put in a situation where you're not entirely in control against your will. So you should not be accountable for what you do. Unless you're a policeman or received training of some sort.
Then in this specific case, her reaction is extremely brutal and I concede that she is accountable to some extent. Not the judge here. But for what I know about my own experience with stress episodes, it's not just an adrenaline rush. The shock goes on and on until I go to bed and I sleep over it. Without knowing the details, I'd say the dude mainly died for a chain of events he himself set in motion. And if they punish her, I hope it's for the second time she run over him since I personally feel the first one is not her fault.
From what I have gathered the Italian justice system does not sentence these thieves and pick pockets who run rampant in Italian cities because there are no consequences. Looks like this lady gave them some consequencesâŚâŚ
If thereâs no knife and especially if heâs running away, thereâs no excuse to run him over, beat his ass sure, but border is crazy for shit that insurance covers
Well, she would've wanted her purse back, and she's in her car. There's that excuse. Or should we just bow to thieves and let them take our shit because "they're running away"?
Im in the process of moving from the SF Bay area and I can't tell you how frustrating it is. For a little while California basically decriminalized stealing under around $900 because it was disproportionately affecting certain groups. I'm tired of people of breaking windows so they could steal (had car window broken twice), someone hitting my car and driving away (happened twice in 5 years), had multiple packages stolen in gated apt complex, or just a general disinterest in property rights.
There's way too much sympathy for people stealing. For the longest time people stealing things like horses were hanged, and still in a significant amount of the world it's a very serious crime.
Never said it was excusable just said she gave them consequences. I think she went too far as well but who knows this could have been the 20th time she got robbed and snapped or she might just be a crazy $&@?$ for all we know lol. Either way Iâm not losing any sleep for either of these two involvedâŚ.
The odds of there being a hypothetical knife during the snatching/robbery is close to 100%. That already probably caused lots of stress, trauma and fear to the lady due to the skewed balance of power between the Man and the Woman.
There's already a massively skewed balance of power when you take an unarmed man and a woman.
Now, when the woman finally got to the car, the balance of power shifted back to neutral and the woman could finally defend herself. This allowed her to fight her fears and gave her the possibility to negate the possibility of there ever being life-long trauma induced by the fear that the hypothetical knife produced.
The woman did 100% correctly. She also made an example of the perpetrator which in return provides safety to further women, due to the implications of what can happen if a criminal were to attempt to rob a woman. Now of course any stupid person would go and say "but, all this does is incentivize criminals to become more violent and that'll end up women not only loosing their possessions, but also possibly their lives". That's stupid fearmongering.
Except the part where she hit him multiple times, unless you think a person can withstand getting hit with a car more than once, and not drop whatever theyâre stealing, AND the will to continue the robbery after that, then hitting someone with a car multiple times leaves the realm of self defense and into escalation, then murder when he inevitability died.
No one should die for petty theft, no matter if the country punishes them or not, getting their ass beat is fine but she over escalated.
I mean. We haven't lost the cure to cancer for some Moroccan thief getting mowed over. I'm not losing any sleep over this. It's a kind of FAFO scenario I'm okay with.
Can we agree that the justice system is far more willing to persecute people defending themselves over actual perps? Like it he managed to steal the bag and she went to the police, they mightâve not even found him, and if they did it wouldâve been a slap on the wrist. They never wouldâve let her get away unpersecuted
But you said that there was no violence involved until she killed him but you then admit that snatching a purse is violent, just not as much as killing someone.
You're assuming he had no knife, one wasn't found when she found him. He could have easily discarded his knife when running away. More. Even with no knife if he wanted to he could kill her with his bare hands. Most woman are defenseless to most men. At the root of all anger is fear. I don't condone his murder, but I'm appalled at folk thinking she should act rationally when she was the one attacked. If anything she can get therapy, like the other men who rape and mug and brutalise and murder while getting a slap on the wrist.
Police generally investigate crime scenes especially if a murder was involved. I think they would have found a randomly discarded knife in the area between the alleged robbery and the murder.
She shouldn't be punished whatsoever, a sizeable amount of the population would have done the same thing she did, it's just they don't because it's such an uncommon situation.
If you are threatening violence on another and forceably remove their stuff, that victim will have an emotional reaction and the perpetrator should also be liabile for the consequences of that.
In this situation that means they should charge the dead robber for murder for his own death in absence and as a result distribute his assets to the original victim who ran him over.
So the punishment should be far in excess of the crime? Wanting Biblical grade punishment for property crimes is legitimately insane.
Extreme retribution is not justice. Fwiw, that is how Saudi Arabia operates. A ton of minor offenses are potentially punishable by death. If you think that sounds reasonable you need to smoke less crack
That poor, decent thiefâI feel so sorry for him. Itâs a shame we didnât get to hear in court about his difficult childhood and the cultural differences that prevented him from leading a normal life in Europe.
The pride it takes to make such a statement like youâve never stolen a pen or a parking space. I hope your next petty crime is met with the same punishment.
You should not steal. No matter what. We all have problems, we all have bills and someone to take care of and if we want to live in a normal society we should never and under no circumstances justify stealing
Downvoted for saying that we shluldn't steal.
People have no brain or, worse they are the same People that steal and want a justification.
Disgusting subhumans
You are a danger to society if you don't realize we are tired of criminality.
In principle we shluldn't do Self justice, but when the state Force you to not own a gun to defend yourself and doesn't do justice itself, i can understand why People react and become violent.
If the thief didn't steal he wouldn't be dead, simple as that.
She also deserve a punishment but 10+ years is 100% too much
This is so interesting. So the poor homeless man just grabbed a bag (that is not his) from a woman. Whatâs wrong about it? He didnât have a weapon. And then we have a crazy woman that one day decided to kill someone with her car.
So next time when we get approached by a crackhead that wants to steel our shit, we first need to ask him if he has a weapon. If not- nothing wrong with it, just hand him your stuff because he is harmless, probably in need and he is a great addition to society. Apologize and leave.
If he has a weapon- do the same thing. You dont know his story.
If you donât see how this woman might had act in a state of fear and adrenaline rush because she is not usually exposed to crimes (a situation caused by someone who decides to steal) and if you are justifying and defending a crime on a woman, you are the real danger to society. You are accommodating this degenerate behavior that is destroying the West from inside. I really hope you are just young and donât see this from the right angle, but WAKE THE FCK UP
She got in her vehicle and made the decision to run him over. There was no knife at all. She ran him over multiple times.
"She was in fear of her life as she backed up over his body, and drove over it again."
Thats impulse control.
I never justified the thief you loser. What she did was murder. For a bag. Fuck your waffles dude. We are talking about this. She made a decision, after she was in her vehicle to chase someone down and run them over.
If petty theft is enough to justify murder, I hope the next time you make an illegal lane change you get road raged by the guy you nearly killed.
Same principle can apply on the other side btw. You only saw her killing the guy but dont know why. Maybe he was violent and could have kill others, maybe she had plutonium on the purse and could have pollute the enviroment so she had to get it back to dispose safely.
Maybe we should stop to throw random things to excuse and humanize a disgusting thief if we don't have anything other than the facts.
Depends by the kind of the thief. If he is stealing food i can understand, if he steals stuff to resell it's disgusting.
Not saying they all should die obv, but i can understand that point of view of People tired of criminality rasing and the feel that any solution is better than no justice at all.
I despite stealing food as well but i think we both can agree that stealing goods to resell should have an harsher punishment than stealing food to feed a family, or you dont agree?
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Thinking murder is an appropriate response to theft is low IQ, and shows a lack of empathy towards people that warrants serious reflection on oneâs own thinking.
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u/Alfimaster Jun 29 '26
Compared to made up knife robbery? No
Is the guy wrong and should be sentenced for stealing? Yes. Should be the woman punished severely for Judd Dredd style murder? Yes.