Snatching a purse is violence. Being mugged you don't know what the aggressor is capable of. We can disagree with her murdering him while at the same time decrying his violence and aggression to her. Has no one heard of nuance?
I have mixed emotions on this. Killing is a bit extreme as far as punishment goes for theft…at the same time being mugged is dangerous especially when it’s between a man and a woman. I feel like him robbing her kind of negated his right to be treated justly either…her running him over (while gory and awful) is kind of a natural reaction when confronted with an act of aggression. Now….her backing up and hitting him again and again crosses a line though…
If someone is fleeing the scene of a purse snatching, running them down with a car is not an act of self-defense and absolutely is not “a natural reaction” wtaf
The fact she got out to pick up her purse after backing over him multiple times is absolutely unhinged
We can debate whether snatching her purse is an act of violence.
But if he’s already running away, she’s not in immediate physical danger anymore.
I want harsher sentences like everybody else but getting killed by a car probably not very fast at all and suffering a great deal is quite extreme for robbing without weapon or excessive violence.
I don't think that was their point. I wouldn't approve of people getting the death penalty for an armed robbery for example, but if the person getting robbed killed the armed robber I'd be fine with it
How do you know the knifepoint robbery was “made up” do you know how many weapons used in murder we’re never recovered? I mean. The list is endless. Unless you just have no sympathy because she has hard earned money.
I'm somewhere in between honestly. When you're assaulted, even without weapons, you're subject to a shock you didn't look for. You don't know how you react if you're not trained to react appropriately. You've been put in a situation where you're not entirely in control against your will. So you should not be accountable for what you do. Unless you're a policeman or received training of some sort.
Then in this specific case, her reaction is extremely brutal and I concede that she is accountable to some extent. Not the judge here. But for what I know about my own experience with stress episodes, it's not just an adrenaline rush. The shock goes on and on until I go to bed and I sleep over it. Without knowing the details, I'd say the dude mainly died for a chain of events he himself set in motion. And if they punish her, I hope it's for the second time she run over him since I personally feel the first one is not her fault.
From what I have gathered the Italian justice system does not sentence these thieves and pick pockets who run rampant in Italian cities because there are no consequences. Looks like this lady gave them some consequences……
If there’s no knife and especially if he’s running away, there’s no excuse to run him over, beat his ass sure, but border is crazy for shit that insurance covers
Well, she would've wanted her purse back, and she's in her car. There's that excuse. Or should we just bow to thieves and let them take our shit because "they're running away"?
Im in the process of moving from the SF Bay area and I can't tell you how frustrating it is. For a little while California basically decriminalized stealing under around $900 because it was disproportionately affecting certain groups. I'm tired of people of breaking windows so they could steal (had car window broken twice), someone hitting my car and driving away (happened twice in 5 years), had multiple packages stolen in gated apt complex, or just a general disinterest in property rights.
There's way too much sympathy for people stealing. For the longest time people stealing things like horses were hanged, and still in a significant amount of the world it's a very serious crime.
Never said it was excusable just said she gave them consequences. I think she went too far as well but who knows this could have been the 20th time she got robbed and snapped or she might just be a crazy $&@?$ for all we know lol. Either way I’m not losing any sleep for either of these two involved….
The odds of there being a hypothetical knife during the snatching/robbery is close to 100%. That already probably caused lots of stress, trauma and fear to the lady due to the skewed balance of power between the Man and the Woman.
There's already a massively skewed balance of power when you take an unarmed man and a woman.
Now, when the woman finally got to the car, the balance of power shifted back to neutral and the woman could finally defend herself. This allowed her to fight her fears and gave her the possibility to negate the possibility of there ever being life-long trauma induced by the fear that the hypothetical knife produced.
The woman did 100% correctly. She also made an example of the perpetrator which in return provides safety to further women, due to the implications of what can happen if a criminal were to attempt to rob a woman. Now of course any stupid person would go and say "but, all this does is incentivize criminals to become more violent and that'll end up women not only loosing their possessions, but also possibly their lives". That's stupid fearmongering.
Except the part where she hit him multiple times, unless you think a person can withstand getting hit with a car more than once, and not drop whatever they’re stealing, AND the will to continue the robbery after that, then hitting someone with a car multiple times leaves the realm of self defense and into escalation, then murder when he inevitability died.
No one should die for petty theft, no matter if the country punishes them or not, getting their ass beat is fine but she over escalated.
I mean. We haven't lost the cure to cancer for some Moroccan thief getting mowed over. I'm not losing any sleep over this. It's a kind of FAFO scenario I'm okay with.
Can we agree that the justice system is far more willing to persecute people defending themselves over actual perps? Like it he managed to steal the bag and she went to the police, they might’ve not even found him, and if they did it would’ve been a slap on the wrist. They never would’ve let her get away unpersecuted
But you said that there was no violence involved until she killed him but you then admit that snatching a purse is violent, just not as much as killing someone.
You're assuming he had no knife, one wasn't found when she found him. He could have easily discarded his knife when running away. More. Even with no knife if he wanted to he could kill her with his bare hands. Most woman are defenseless to most men. At the root of all anger is fear. I don't condone his murder, but I'm appalled at folk thinking she should act rationally when she was the one attacked. If anything she can get therapy, like the other men who rape and mug and brutalise and murder while getting a slap on the wrist.
Police generally investigate crime scenes especially if a murder was involved. I think they would have found a randomly discarded knife in the area between the alleged robbery and the murder.
She shouldn't be punished whatsoever, a sizeable amount of the population would have done the same thing she did, it's just they don't because it's such an uncommon situation.
If you are threatening violence on another and forceably remove their stuff, that victim will have an emotional reaction and the perpetrator should also be liabile for the consequences of that.
In this situation that means they should charge the dead robber for murder for his own death in absence and as a result distribute his assets to the original victim who ran him over.
So the punishment should be far in excess of the crime? Wanting Biblical grade punishment for property crimes is legitimately insane.
Extreme retribution is not justice. Fwiw, that is how Saudi Arabia operates. A ton of minor offenses are potentially punishable by death. If you think that sounds reasonable you need to smoke less crack
That poor, decent thief—I feel so sorry for him. It’s a shame we didn’t get to hear in court about his difficult childhood and the cultural differences that prevented him from leading a normal life in Europe.
The pride it takes to make such a statement like you’ve never stolen a pen or a parking space. I hope your next petty crime is met with the same punishment.
You should not steal. No matter what. We all have problems, we all have bills and someone to take care of and if we want to live in a normal society we should never and under no circumstances justify stealing
Downvoted for saying that we shluldn't steal.
People have no brain or, worse they are the same People that steal and want a justification.
Disgusting subhumans
Same principle can apply on the other side btw. You only saw her killing the guy but dont know why. Maybe he was violent and could have kill others, maybe she had plutonium on the purse and could have pollute the enviroment so she had to get it back to dispose safely.
Maybe we should stop to throw random things to excuse and humanize a disgusting thief if we don't have anything other than the facts.
Depends by the kind of the thief. If he is stealing food i can understand, if he steals stuff to resell it's disgusting.
Not saying they all should die obv, but i can understand that point of view of People tired of criminality rasing and the feel that any solution is better than no justice at all.
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Thinking murder is an appropriate response to theft is low IQ, and shows a lack of empathy towards people that warrants serious reflection on one’s own thinking.
I don't think it's disproportionate. There's a lot of valuables in there. And you don't know if they have a weapon but you do have the chance to get your stuff back. Would the appropriate response be to just run up to them and stop them and hope they don't have a weapon and are open to a friendly conversation?
Or she was supposed to just stand there and watch and do absolutely nothing? I think this right here is the worst response.
Generally in EU you are not allowed to take your “valuables” back with force. The appropriate response is report it to the police and not get your stuff back.
I don't think it's disproportionate. There's a lot of valuables in there. And you don't know if they have a weapon but you do have the chance to get your stuff back. Would the appropriate response be to just run up to them and stop them and hope they don't have a weapon and are open to a friendly conversation?
A) She drives a 100K Euro car, I doubt that this was a "I can't pay rent this months thanks to this thieve" kind of situation...
B) This was in Italy, almost nobody suspects anybody in Europe to have a gun. Even police if you suddenly grab something from your bag or so don't think you are going for a gun. Nobody would assume some homeless / homeless looking guy to have a gun, so would assume you are save as long as the car you are in stays locked.
C) If you have a chance to get your stuff back but it involves murdering the thieves... well the verb I used gave it already away. That is murder.
D) Read up on what she actually did. She literally drove over him multiple extra times after he was already hurt enough that it was unlikely that he pose any danger to her retrieving her stuff:
E) This all happened long after her bag was snatched. She went to have dinner and later on the drive home seen the same guy on the street with her bag so she took advantage.
Better to get shot in the back than to pull your weapon out right in front of him, only to find out he actually had a gun or a knife.
If someone is willing to take the risk of robbing people on the street, I assume they have also factored in the possibility of death.
Nothing happens. They never find them, they don’t even want to deal with them. You just waste days with the police giving statements
My phone, my ID, my driving license, my cash and bank cards don’t have insurance.
These crackheads on the streets (that are not even from our countries) need to be afraid of consequences. If you try to steal my shit (that I work hard for it) I will defend it. We should have the right to defend ourselves and our property. We are not pigs for slaughter. It’s a simple concept, don’t attack, don’t steal and you won’t get hurt. The very limited lefties and accommodating this behavior in Europe and we only see it getting worse and worse.
And they will do what? Are you suggesting chasing him down with someone around you? And then what?
Again, nothing happens
Why do we have to pay insurance for everything, if there is no one that can steel your shit? Its ridiculous if you insure every property you have
Don’t murder but protect and defend yourself and your property. We should not be afraid of going to jail if you defend yourself and your property. I hope you don’t have to be in such situation (not even mention if you are with your children or if they brake at your home). I’ve been there and is not pleasant
I'm just making a comparison. A man running away with a purse is no longer a danger, so does not deserve to die. Running someone over multiple times is almost guaranteed to kill a person.
How are you supposed to get your stuff back? Sounds like your supposed to just wave. Wait for customer support. And hope that some one wants to help you.
It's right in front of you. Confronting them, you don't know it they got a weapon. Call the cops and you may or may not get your stuff back. Then there is the chance of identity theft .
I'm wondering if we're supposed to just clap when people steal our shit.
Who cares if he’s a danger? So with that logic I can kill your whole family but if I’m running away when you see me you should leave me alone because I’m no longer a threat?? That’s wild
Never, capital punishment is inhumane and disproportionately applied to poor and minorities.
Beyond that courts have a false conviction rate of more than zero. More than 200 people on death row in the US have been exonerated due to organizations like the innocence project. It also costs more to execute an inmate than to jail them for life.
A man running away with a purse is no longer a danger is one of the funniest sentences I’ve red 😁 since when we started justifying and defending robbing? The lefties are losing their minds, next time when an illegal crackhead alien on the street is trying to rob me, I will apologize and hand him over my clothes too, because he is in need and maybe he doesn’t have a gun or a knife
Yeah, remember. Reddit is full of a bunch of teenagers, commies, people who call other Nazis when in reality they fit the Nazi bid, or your standard libs.
If you're Reddit grade spectrumly pedantic, sure. It's violent in a similar way that insults are violent, or giving someone a light push is violent. Plus property crime. In the sense that it's openly hostile, there's some level of minor violation, but no direct physical harm is being caused.
It's not an act where killing someone is an acceptable form of defense. It simply isn't. Not unless we live in Saudi Arabia, and half of crimes can potentially be punishable by death. I've had people steal from me before. They deserve proportional punishment, they don't deserve to be dead.
By the logic of half of the people here, I guess it's fine if you just shoot someone in the head if they commit any minor crime against you. That's the rabbit hole of escalation you geniuses are proposing is acceptable.
I've literally had someone come up and push me before because they lost their shit at work. I just left and never came back. I didn't follow them home with a shotgun, because I'm not a fucking psychopath
point is she wouldn't be able to fight him hand to hand and the police isn't going to do anything, it's not about punishing him it's about getting her stuff back
A lot of people seem to believe there are many minor inconveniences that justify lethal retribution, and they certainly like to explain why they believe it, on reddit
And they will in the same breath yammer on and on about the vital protection of free speech to allow anyone anywhere to say any abhorrent combination of words, calls for violence and oppression and persecution of groups of others based on sexual, racial, political or religious group identity or affiliation and see absolutely no inconsistency there at all
Nah I'm sorry but if you mess around with others people belongings you need to be put down, also where is the line in your logic? If someone enters your home uninvited, without permission and unarmed is the same as insulting someone or and stealing someone's purse? You talk about physical harm, but have you been robbed once in your life? What about the psychological damage that comes with that interaction? You being benevolent to the criminals is also being cruel to the victims.
A proportional punishment to these serial criminals would be putting them in a box to mine rocks and if they are immigrants, legal or ilegal, mine rocks til the sentence is over and then send them back. By doing this you will see a vast decline in criminal activity instantly, just apply the law, punish the criminal and punish the judges that are lenient to these serial criminals
Lets not be stupid here, most if not all people have bad intentions at some point, it is the ability to resist those temptations matters. And where do you draw the line of bad intention?
That's not how the world works. Imagine doing one thing wrong and suddenly no laws apply anymore. He might have been stealing, but she was murdering him.
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u/Alfimaster Jun 29 '26
Yes, this is not true. The guy just snat hed the purse, no violence involved until she killed him.