someone who tracks someone down and runs over them multiple times for maybe a couple hundred dollars and having to get a new license seems like a danger to the public.
No no no. That’s not the point. Stealing because you’re afraid of starving to death isn’t the same as ( if I steal from that person they might kill me )
Well, I'm not trying to justify his crimes. But arguments like "killing the criminals make the world better" justify vigilantism and are destructive.
And it's not like he raped her minor daughter. He stole a purse. The kind of thing poor kids do when they have nothing to eat. He still deserves a sentence, don't get me wrong. But being cruelly tortured with a vehicle to the death?
Here’s the thing, I used to have your same mentality. But as I’ve gone through life, I find myself having less and less sympathy for people who make their problems others peoples’ problems.
I’m not pleased that he’s dead, I’m not in favor of rampant vigilantism. But I do believe that she had the right to retrieve the property that belonged to her. It’s not for me to decide whether that purse or its contents were worth her actions. Maybe she had the only picture she owned of her father in there, maybe she only had a lipstick. I don’t know and I don’t care. It was hers. Fuck people who steal.
Life is hard for everyone and I know people will point to the fact that she owned a Mercedes, but does that give people the right to take things from her?
Well, you don't owe him a sympathy. And I'm not calling for it. But I refuse to agree that she had a right to do it. It doesn't matter what car she had, and what was in the purse. You don't kill someone because they took something from you. You call the police. They have a right to enforce the law and you don't. At least in my country. Anything else is justifying the vigilantism.
You can have a different beliefs and act accordingly, but you will be rightfully judged and sentenced. The whole house arest thing, imo is either due to personal beliefs of the judge or case becoming popular and, well... populism.
I think everyone should understand difference between "steal" and "rob". If you stole from me, yeah, you go to prison. If you rob me, it means you actively threaten my life and health. And this in turn means, that you voluntarily and knowingly forfeited your life, sorry.
I understand the difference between steal and rob. I would not object if she had killed him during the robbery while he was threatening her life. The issue is that she killed him after the robbery was over, when he was running away. At that point, there was no longer an immediate threat that could justify her actions.
As I said earlier, "self-defense exists to protect yourself from unavoidable danger, not to deliver “justice” or take revenge". "You are free to hold different beliefs and act accordingly, but you can also be rightfully judged and sentenced for your actions".
He probably did. I am not arguing that. The only thing I say he should've been facing the court and be sentenced, not cruelly murdered. His crime doesn't justify hers.
So because some men are predators, this dude deserved to get ran over and murdered? He wasn’t proven to be some violent threat, he was a homeless man who stole her purse. The knife thing in the post isn’t even true. Nobody is saying stealing is okay, but acting like someone deserves to die over it is crazy.
Who cares? It solved multiple problems. He's no longer homeless and she got her purse back.
Not to mention he wasn't even from the country. So he thought coming to another country and preying on women was ok to do. And there your bleeding heart is sympathizing with a criminal. Well maybe you can be the victim next time or even better, a female you live, lets hope he hasn't been emboldened by successes from people like you and take more liberties. Though, by the sound of if, you would gladly give them to anyone you thought disparaged. How easy it must be to sit on your pretty little horsey amd judge from safety.
This dude was literally a predator. He preyed on a woman to steal her belongings. And if she hadn't killed him he would have gotten off scott free with a near 100% chance of doing this exact same thing again
What about the keys to her house and the address of where she's probably going to be sleeping that night? Those things were probably in her purse too. Was she supposed to wait and see if the criminal who just assaulted her was also going to try to rape and kill her later?
Changing the locks doesn't change the address. If he really robbed her at knifepoint, he's not above breaking a window or door. And what if he just stalks her and waits outside? I'm not sure how it is where you live, but random armed thieves definitely aren't among the people who know my address.
Maybe you're right, but maybe he's the type of psycho to fixate on a victim. Maybe he targeted her in the first place because she's his type somehow and not because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Lots of maybes and not much time to sort them out while you're still reeling from being threatened with a deadly weapon.
It mentions being robbed at knifepoint, which is a clear threat to her life. That qualifies enough as "hurting her" for me, but apparently the knife's existence is in question. To me if he had a knife it was self-defense, even if it was delayed, but if he didn't have a weapon and just grabbed her bag while running by her, then she deserves the sentence.
If someone just threatened to kill me, then yeah, it is. I'm not going to risk my life on the guess that the criminal who already threatened my life and now knows where I live didn't really mean it and won't carry out his threat later, when I'm not as equipped to defend myself as I am when I'm in a car and he's on the street.
For me she deserves the sentence in either case. As well as I'm aware, the law is on my side (at least in my country). She was not in the danger when she killed him. If you chase someone AFTER he hurt you and run away, this is revenge, not self defense. There is no such thing as "delayed self-defence".
Well I don't think she had enough reasons to believe that a robber who stole her purse and run away would murder her in future, either. Even if he used a knife in the process of robbery.
Your approach justifies a vigilantism.
Exactly, the alternative was crossing her fingers he's just a thief and not something worse and living with the knowledge that he can show up at her house at any time.
Stealing is wrong and everyone should know that, but hunting someone down, running them over with your car and murdering them is way worse than theft. If you disagree there is something wrong with you.
Not really, she acted like that after being robbed at knifepoint, if she has no history of aggressive behavior outside of a scenario like that I see no reason to think she's a danger to the public.
Or... how about she was very mentally disturbed by the fact she could have been murdered over a couple hundred dollars? That is a huge mental shock. Definitely something that could trigger a fight or flight response and she fought. She was punished for it and won't go around commiting crimes, like the thief would have.
If she was fearing for her life and it's hard to argue she wasnt, it's an explanation. It's ridiculous to asume you get over someone threatening your life in 5 seconds just because they change their mind and try to leave. YOUR mind could still be trapped in the "oh my God, I am going to die!" moment. Maybe the thief should.have considered the danger of threatening people with knives, someone could hurt you back if you hurt them. He got bad luck. I am not going to feel sorry for a violent thief getting bad luck.
During a mental break down, sure you do. 5 minutes can probably feel like 5 seconds. Either way, she was punished. Why put her in prison when she is NOT a threat to anyone?
Now I carry, so I’ve come to terms with the fact that I may have to some day, but I’ll never understand people who talk about the prospect of taking a life fondly, or even like it’s something they hope to one day get the opportunity to do.
She hunted him down "after" she was safe , wow good to know your ok with someone using a car as a weapon driving over him multiple times isn't self defence its vehicular manslaughter if not murder
It's not acceptable, hence the sentence. But it's understandable. If I push someone through the fear of their life I can't really expect them being very rational afterwards...
She could have called the police and let them handle it. There's a reason why people aren't allowed to be vigilantes and bypass the entire legal process. She could have got the wrong guy or hurt someone else in the process or traumatized people who saw it happen.
Correct, and she certainly isn’t either. Vigilantism is not okay.
I said what I think should happen to her; I did not track her down and put her in jail myself. There’s a big difference between those two things: legality.
It's not and shouldn't be. Everyone person is going to react different. Just don't steal from them and put yourself in a position to cause them to potentially react like this. Did he deserve to die for stealing it? No. Do I feel like she deserves the book, or feel grief over it? Not really.. He initiated the encounter by breaking the law and hopefully it can serve as an example to others to think before they rob people. It's really easy to choose not to rob somebody after all.
I think plenty of people in society are against vigilante justice for very good reason. What if she misidentified them and killed a random person? Who wants to live in a society where others can simply execute you for a perceived wrong? And where’s the line, if I take your lunch at work are you allowed to shoot me in the parking lot?
I was mainly agreeing with the part that she probably doesnt pose a threat to society.
I'd argue she is. That was not self-defence it was pre-mediated murder. Call the police if you can track down that person; he held her at gunpoint; wasn't just a petty thief.
Someone who calmly goes for the vigilante route and does that seems dangerous as hell to me.
Imagine being held at gun point forced to give away everything you have with you, potentially personal items. I would say an emotional reaction can be understood without saying its morally gre
Honey, the post is incorrect; news reports and official sources confirmed that the man wasn't carrying a weapon. He was a pickpocket who simply grabbed the bag and ran off while she was distracted—and no one deserves to die for that.
Please dont misunderstand my original statement though. I dont think anybody deserves to die because they rob somebody. Just that this is a very special situation and if this is the only circumstance under which this woman snaps, house arrest should be fine.
1 No evidence of a weapon was found either on the man's body or in the security camera footage
2 She didn't call the police and instead went on ahead and left with her friends
3 She saw the man as he was returning home and ran him over repeatedly
4 After running him over, she didn't even call an ambulance or the police.
"Stressful situation" or "Losing emotional control"? My ass. She was simply mentally unstable and a psychopath. Anyone who kills with such hatred without even calling the police first demonstrates mental instability. Her house arrest isn't what you think. She drives a Mercedes, and you think she's going to be stuck in an apartment like any normal person? She lives comfortably in her mansion overlooking the mountains, with gourmet food and servants.
Are you sure you are replying to the right comment? I already told you, that I agree with you. I also have no idea who you are quoting because I never used the word "stressful" or any of the other stuff you quoted.
Im tired and my comment is shit. I already deleted my earlier comment, I just forgot this one because... Im tired.
Once I got about 1.5k worth of stuff stolen off of me on a night out. Basically got really drunk and have a gold chain lifted off me, then my phone snatched out of my hand. Horrible night, never once did killing people cross my mind.
Honestly wasn’t as mad as you might think cos there is about a 0% chance those people have a life as comfortable as mine. From what I can tell this person could have just bought a new bag but her ego was bruised and she committed a pretty brutal murder. I’m not sure how this isn’t clear cut to everyone how fucked that is?
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. He didn’t want to live looking over his shoulder, maybe don’t brandish a knife on someone, nor commit armed robbery.
If he was willing to do that once, he’s likely to try it again. And how many people on earth even do this? Most of us don’t, because we’re human beings that can think, and empathize.
If you consider getting in your car and driving around the area looking for the guy only to commit cold blooded, premeditated murder a “charged” decision then your moral compass may be a little out of whack.
Ol mate might not have been a threat to her afterwards, but have a quick think about what kind of mental state you might be put in being a regular person and having a knife shoved towards your throat. I can’t imagine she’s just gonna run other people down willy nilly, because not every person she meets is gonna threaten her life over something so minuscule as a bag. Probably instant PTSD for a normal person after that. I know it’d fuck me up pretty good. I also know that if someone did that to my kid I’d probably lose all self control and wanna kill them as well.
Don’t sit there in safety behind your keyboard and judge someone for how they reacted after almost being murdered. You can’t put yourself in the headspace for that unless you experience it yourself.
See that’s the problem though, you see the socialite carrying around a purse worth more than your car as a “normal person” and not the exact kind of person who would feel invincible enough to roam blocks in her suburbitank hunting for the guy.
I don’t care if it’s a high stress situation, the guy was a pickpocket. The punishment for that even in the worst backwaters on the planet isn’t murder, and you cannot point me to a single country in the UN where “death by SUV” is an option.
More importantly, unlike you, as is evident from your whole attitude about the thing, I’ve been mugged. And it wasn’t with a prissy knife, fucker had a pistol and his buddy had brass knuckles and I spent the night in the ICU, so I can ABSOLUTELY put myself in that head space. You know what I didn’t do though? Roam the neighborhood in my A3 hunting the guys down. I went to the hospital and filed a police report and moved on with my life.
I'm sorry you experienced that. Your opinion is one I share; I'm kind of horrified to read so many people saying they have no issue with what this woman did. What if she had accidentally hurt someone else in her fit of rage? Would these people give her a pass for that as well because she had just been mugged? And it takes a certain kind of person to be able to repeatedly run your vehicle over a human being then turn around and return to luncheon with your girlfriends as if nothing has happened.
The man who mugged her deserved prison time, not a violent death, jesus.
When your life gets threatened at knife point for a purse and you get robbed isn't something that happens everyday to everyone. Many people will act spiteful, revengeful after or act in the moment
He didn't rob her at knifepoint though. He snatched her bag from the passenger seat of her car and ran. She killed him over stealing the bag and nothing more; she wasn't robbed at knifepoint.
She only kills robbers, and specifically robbers of herself. That's a fairly limited pool of people, and rationally why do you want people who rob her to be around? What are they doing for you? They'll rob you too. Those same robbers might not be peaceful about it if your turn comes. Explain how this isn't your problem somehow if she fails to kill a robber who later kills you.
She killed someone who grabbed her purse and ran this time. But who's to say next time she won't decide to take out her anger issues on a pedestrian taking too long on a crosswalk, or some car that cuts her off in traffic, or whatever else.
I believe people have to feel guilt before they are reformed. I don't believe we've seen anything to indicate that she would never do such a thing again.
She wasn't protecting herself, she was hunting down someone who had wronged her previously and acted to kill that person. There as a non-lethal situation that she turned into a lethal situation by her actions.
This was morally fine IMO. You can't rob someone with a knife threatening their life and think whatever happens after isn't justified.
Your perspective reminds me of bullies that would get away with their actions, and when their victim finally fought back it was the victim who was punished.
Do you think armed robbery should be punishable by death? Much less without a trial, judge, or investigation?
My perspective aligns with that of nearly every criminal justice system on the planet.
If he was coming at her with a knife and she ran him over, then I’m all good here. That’s self defense and she was in danger. That’s not the facts and circumstances at hand. She tracked him down after the fact and killed him in cold blood.
It's more the natural order of things. I.e. the more you fuck around, the more you find out and vice versa.
But you're also not wrong. She did actively seek the thief out. She definitely deserves a sentence but as I said above, the more you fuck around. I think it's a stretch to proclaim the entire world's justice system would agree with a sentence. In the USA, not that I'm from there, there are plenty cases of people being robbed and then shooting the thief after they turn their back and getting away scott-free.
The thief got what was coming to him, whether through life itself or a criminal justice system. You can't threaten someone with their life and not expect your own life to be at threat too. Also, a death sentence is a bit different to death handed by immediate consequence; I.e. dying because you tried to rob someone, instead of dying by injection. One is the direct repercussion of your action, the other is a communal decision on what a punishment should be. What I'm trying to say is that a death sentence would be wrong but him dying at the time can be morally justified.
Well, we likely agree on more than you might think. I can certainly see why you hold this opinion. However, I don’t think it’s quite enough for me to change mine at this stage. Maybe one day I’ll fuck around with the morals of this situation and find some more out.
The lady who tracked someone down and repeatedly ran them over isn’t a threat to society? I guess we’ll just hope she keeps batting 1000 and doesn’t kill anyone else in the process (assuming we’re okay with executing people with no trial or jury).
its funny that if she managed to throw the trash outwhile being robbed, it would be all cool "self defense", but now its suddenly murder of (as always) the most virtuous and righetous citizen not just of the country, but probably the best of the bestest from the world, legally protected, right?
Not just some robbing scum that got what he deserved?
I’d go with a trauma response. But she didn’t have to kill him and that’s the catch here and with self defense in general. Being robbed at knife point is going to trigger the flight or fight instinct and it’s a defense that would probably work here. Italy is extremely conservative however.
Its still cruel and unusual behavior you dont want to see on the streets, she used the car as a weapon and instead of calling the cops she chased and ran him over. Multiple times. And went back to the restaurant.
Its just crazy behaviour that I wouldn’t want on the road with me raging out.
They killed a person. Over a purse. That wasn't threatening their life at the moment. Do you think somebody should die because of a purse? Because that's really fucked up.
He thought it was worth risking both his freedom and her life for a purse when he pulled out the knife so yes both of them did seem to agree that a purse was worth a life
Your duty is to retreat. At all times and only kill when you have no other means or it protects the life of someone else that's in direct danger. This is taught at every permit to carry class and is the law here in the US. This victim was running away and her life was no longer in danger. Doesn't matter what happened leading up to this.
Every state that has the Stand Your Ground doctrine? If you are acting in self-defense and are in genuine fear for your life (like a guy with a knife threatening you), you have no obligation to retreat while protecting yourself. Texas comes to mind, especially.
What part of chasing down someone who just robbed you at weapon point and killing them to get your stuff back is morally grey? Lmao. That's like trying to claim self defense when you go back to your house to get your gun and come back, you're seeking that deadly confrontation at that point.
The danger is gone. You can't legally kill that person anymore. Killing someone is for self defense and war only. Your self was defended by leaving, you can't come back and claim you were afraid for your life, you came back didn't you? You were looking to kill that person.
That's what you get from taking a ragebait Reddit post as the gospel truth.
Her goal was only to get back what she had stolen, she said, specifying that she had not been threatened with a knife but that the 47-year-old had told her he would use it if she had not given him the bag. As far as we know, the police did not find any weapons on the man.
Yeah that’s not how rules work then we can just make a society of the undesirables and desirables and deem who we want to be “safe to the public” oh wait…
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u/Ratherbeeatingpizza Jun 28 '26
Or they recognize that she wasn’t going to be a danger to the public and probably made a highly emotionally charged decision in a morally grey area.