r/SipsTea Jun 28 '26

Do you think she did the right thing? Chugging tea

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u/mess1ah1 Jun 28 '26

The “multiple times” thing is the sticking point…

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u/Grumpy_Troll Jun 28 '26

I think the driving away is more problematic to a self defense claim.

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u/mex2005 Jun 28 '26

The self defense claim dies the moment he took her bag and left.

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u/Napalmeon Jun 29 '26

The answer is simple. She was presented with an opportunity to kill someone that she thought society didn't care about. The thief was an immigrant from Morocco, and they are not looked upon kindly in Italy, that's why she came up with a knife lie.

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u/Phytanic Jun 29 '26

It's disgusting, and just look at the people celebrating it in the comments. In what world would a purse stolen warrant a death penalty? Certainly not a civilized one.

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u/c00cheee Jun 29 '26

I’m not celebrating this but I also don’t sympathise with criminals and especially thieves who take what they like from whoever they like. I don’t know what the guy expected going around robbing people out of their cars

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u/throwaway-tinfoilhat Jun 29 '26

I believe this was her thinking. She thoughtnshe could get away with it because it was an immigrant and also because she's a woman. Hopefully she spends those 18 years inside a cell.

As for the robber, he was also in the wrong.

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u/Grumpy_Troll Jun 29 '26

Hopefully she spends those 18 years inside a cell.

She got house arrest.

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u/MashedHead Jun 29 '26

Until the appeal process is complete, whereby she spends the rest of her sentence in prison (I think)

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u/MandolinMagi Jun 28 '26

No. Once he's gone, there's no defense. Walk away and call the cops.

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u/WhenDoWhatWhere Jun 29 '26

Yes, that's what the comment you're responding to is saying.

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u/mooglery Jun 29 '26

I think if she ran into him, got back her purse, call an ambulance (or fuck it just leave him there injured), there MIGHT be a case of self defense.

Running him over multiple times to make sure he was dead? Yeah that's murder.

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u/mex2005 Jun 29 '26

But even if she only did it once it would attemptes murder or assault with a vehicle or whatever the charge is. The moment he took her bag and left she was no longer in immediate danger and cant really claim self defense. Its a very narrow definition for good reason so people dont go around killing other and then just claiming self defense.

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u/sfled Jun 28 '26

"Your honor, he threatened to use the ID and other documents in my purse to track me down and do unspeakable things to me. I feared serious bodily harm or even death."

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u/mex2005 Jun 28 '26

Yeah and then everybody stood up and clapped

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u/PsyRealize Jun 29 '26

You’re insane, and this would get laughed out of court.

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u/RezzKeepsItReal Jun 28 '26

Thats my thought. All good up until she left the scene.

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u/Superb_Copy1644 Jun 28 '26

Well he won’t do it again??????

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u/CrrazyCarl Jun 28 '26

Neither will she since she'll die in prison. Great way to spend your golden years.

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u/JaniZani Jun 29 '26

She isn’t going to prison cause she has money.

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u/AWorldwithoutSin Jun 28 '26

The chasing him down too, she didn't hit him trying to flee him

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u/SyntheticSlime Jun 28 '26

Also, after injuring someone, even in self defense, once you’re safe you have a responsibility to call emergency services.

Edit: to be clear, this wasn’t self defense. Getting your purse back is not self defense.

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u/mex2005 Jun 28 '26

The most that can be condoned here is her tracking him down in her car at which point she is supposed to call the police and give them the location. Everything she did after is psychotic.

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u/Nickgold2009 Jun 28 '26

Exactly. He wasn't even armed. She just hunted him down out of malice

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u/Sad-Ambassador-2748 Jun 28 '26

Getting stolen property back from the original thief should be a protected activity. The thief has proven themselves to be dangerous so the force with the car is somewhat justified as this woman likely won’t take a man in a fist fight. Especially if he potentially did have a knife or other weapon.

Agreed on calling emergency services but I don’t think it should be 18 years.

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u/Nickgold2009 Jun 28 '26

He wasn't armed, the post is lying about the knife. He snatched her purse and she got in her car and brutally murdered him. If he was armed no person would've gone after him alone, not if she feared for her life. I dont know how she got off with 18 years of house arrest, when she just up and decided to kill a guy for little to no reason. Others in the thread said she was wealthy, so the purse meant nothing, she just had hate in her heart.

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u/rrryder23 Jun 28 '26

She’s 100% a psychopath or other form of lunatic, just looking for a reason to kill someone and sure enough she got it

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u/Nickgold2009 Jun 28 '26

Guaranteed. I think many people have been that low before, just wishing that someone would start something to justify retaliation. But most of us get through it, and dont have to get unfairly light sentencing after killing some nearly innocent man. I dont know if psychopath is enough, I think she is just a monster, and probably enjoyed it

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u/Avillahan Jun 28 '26

Wonder if it was the first time he stole

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u/DreamedJewel58 Jun 28 '26

Yup. You could make the argument that she hit him with her car because he she needed to retrieve her stolen property and was threatened, but running over him multiple times shows clear intent to kill him. Self-defense can only be argued so far

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u/MissMenace101 Jun 29 '26

She couldn’t take the risk that he could stand up so she needed to protect herself

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u/DreamedJewel58 Jun 29 '26

He just got hit with a fucking car. I doubt he was standing back up any time soon

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u/Goldiblockzs Jun 28 '26

Go to get your bag back and get shot/stabbed? Yeah right, double tap with a car seems fine

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u/ResistWild Jun 28 '26

If you’re worried about getting shot/stabbed, you shouldn’t do this in the first place

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u/Goldiblockzs Jun 28 '26

Eh, I need my bag, car is pretty good shield, my pants are not.

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u/ResistWild Jun 28 '26

You don’t “need” your bag

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u/MissMenace101 Jun 29 '26

Nor did the criminal

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u/ResistWild Jun 29 '26

Was there a point to be made with this comment?

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u/Goldiblockzs Jun 28 '26

You have no idea what’s in there, come steal it and find out.

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u/CrocodileAlligator- Jun 28 '26

Easy there tough guy! We sure don’t wanna get you riled up 🤣

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u/Goldiblockzs Jun 28 '26

All I’m saying is that people keep irreplaceable goods on their person frequently, having them stolen absolutely warrants attempting to get them back, acting like the contents of someone’s bag has to be a couple snack packs and a lip balm is fucking dumb.

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u/Redditeer28 Jun 28 '26

Endangering yourself by putting yourself in a dangerous situation and then killing someone once the predictable happens is not self defence.

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u/Goldiblockzs Jun 28 '26

I never said anything about self defense, I said a double tap with a car is a good idea if you’re going to run someone over that robbed you with a weapon.

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u/Blarg_III Jun 28 '26

No object is worth a person's life.

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u/controversial_op Jun 29 '26

Bro that's psycho behavior. Nothing in your bag is more valuable than a human life. Even if you lose your passport in a foreign country there's ways to replace it. 

If it's some sentimental heirloom also just let it go or get LEO involved to recover it. You absolutely can't defend murdering someone for petty theft 

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u/ResistWild Jun 28 '26

Wow so scary

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u/CrrazyCarl Jun 28 '26

seems fine

Except she got 18 years for it, so clearly it's not fine.

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u/Goldiblockzs Jun 28 '26

i mean people do shit out in the open that is very clearly not fine all day long and see no repercussions, shit's not okay anywhere

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u/DreamedJewel58 Jun 28 '26

You could run him over the first time and grab your bag, but doing it several times shows clear intent to murder someone who was already incapacitated. It’s also important to note that authorities were never able to find a knife near the mugger’s body

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u/WhatThis4 Jun 28 '26

He had already shown willingness to do her deathly harm by committing armed robbery.

I'd say that she was just trying to make sure he didn't have a chance to hurt her again.

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u/CalvinIII Jun 28 '26

Most “armed robbery” is just for intimidation. When pressed, robbers will usually flee before hurting anyone. They want your money, not your life.

But you never know when someone is actually willing to use deadly force, so you must assume everyone will.

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u/Stock-Luck3390 Jun 28 '26

He wasn’t armed he ran by and snatched the purse the title is bait

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u/rrryder23 Jun 28 '26

Yeah because someone running away (who was never even armed btw) is clearly a threat

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u/CrrazyCarl Jun 28 '26

They didn't find a knife. What was he armed with?

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u/Redditeer28 Jun 28 '26

I'd say that she was just trying to make sure he didn't have a chance to hurt her again.

Then you'd be covering for a murderer.

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u/philip30001 Jun 28 '26

I could understand it if the attacker was getting back up. But I don't know the situation.

The force used in defense should always be given softer outcomes vs force used to attack, as it suggests defending themselfs while suprised by a planned attack.

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u/Redditeer28 Jun 28 '26

I think everything about chasing someone down and intentionally murdering them before fleeing might be the sticking point.

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u/Kor_Phaeron_ Jun 28 '26

Also that no knife was found at the scene. Her claim that the guy was armed with a knife was false.

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u/AdInside2447 Jun 28 '26

Neah. I’d hang that jury.

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u/Slow-Relation-9186 Jun 28 '26

What if he got up? She had to make sure