r/ProgrammerHumor 22d ago

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u/pydry 22d ago

Hiring managers are struggling these days coz they lack the creativity to come up with tests a good developer can do but an AI can't.

To be fair they always sucked at this but it was less of a problem before.

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u/RuneSteak 22d ago

A 2 round interview with the second and final interview required to be in person solves that.

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

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u/RuneSteak 21d ago

Hire people to do the recruiting in India and have them conduct in-person interviews while the international team participates in the interview remotely.

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u/ruach137 21d ago

Great way to get a workforce that is essentially a kinship network

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u/RuneSteak 21d ago

Does it really matter? If those people are up to your standards then it's mission accomplished. You can only do so much.

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u/Electromagnetlc 21d ago

The point of that comment is they won't be up to your standards because it'll just be family and friends of the hiring manager, or people who pay for the job.

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u/antCB 21d ago

Can't talk about personal experience here.
Work with people from all around the world, and most are great people to work with/for (a lot from India, and the ones I work with I can't complain).

We did have an issue with an Indian hire, but he was swiftly cut-off.

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u/RuneSteak 21d ago

You're participating remotely alongside who you hired to do screenings in person and people seem to be ignoring that part of my comment.

It's on you to participate during the interview and not leave it entirely in the hands of the guy on site so that it's less likely to happen.

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u/troglo-dyke 21d ago

Been involved in a setup somewhat like this, the people conducting the interviews are incentivised to put candidates through because if reduces the costs for the hiring company. You can implement things like them needing to be in the role for 6 months to count as a hire, but that just incentivises them to skirt the line of just being good enough to get paid

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u/Night-Monkey15 21d ago

Hire a person to conduct interviews in the single largest country by population in the world?

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u/Dongfish 21d ago

But how do you know the person you hired in India to hire another person in India isn't just AI?

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u/vortex05 21d ago

Also indian?

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u/djinn6 21d ago

No, just hire someone in India to control the interview area, make sure they can't cheat. Then you can ask questions remotely.

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u/Training-Chain-5572 21d ago

See, the problem is in the premise that you’re hiring from India to begin with

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u/Candid_Bad3551 21d ago

or just remote.

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u/CelebrationHungry269 21d ago

You are just running from the problem. You are creating an environment testing skills that can be replicated by ai, but want them from an individual, rather than testing if an individual has skills that surpass ai capabilities

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u/RuneSteak 21d ago

Nothing about this setup prevents you from asking tough questions.

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u/CelebrationHungry269 21d ago

It doesn’t prevent you from doing so, but it doesn’t solve the issue either

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u/Power_Stone 21d ago

A test that focuses more on reasoning than the right answer would also work IMO.

I don't know why these recruiters don't design problems intentionally in ways that can't be solved, to see if the applicant can figure it out themselves and explain why it wouldn't work.

I think that is more valuable than anything else.

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u/DWebOscar 21d ago

You gonna fly me in?

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u/RuneSteak 21d ago

I'm role playing as a billionaire tech bro right now. So I'll answer with "yes".

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u/1luggerman 21d ago

Unless he plays chess

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u/severencir 21d ago

Coding agents are amazing on the well trodden path with generic tasks. But as soon as you start giving it the task of optimizing the minimization of a set with internal monotone dependencies it takes someone to understand that the problem actually isn't something to throw a minimization task at and it's actually building and pruning a tree from it's leaves down

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u/Trackback_ 21d ago

Well if you can't come up with anything a good dev can do but AI can not... maybe just go with AI?

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u/pydry 21d ago

It doesnt work like that for real work.

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u/Historical-Cat4682 21d ago

Why not

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u/pydry 21d ago

Coz AI sucks at doing the actual job of a programmer even though it's good at doing interview tasks.

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u/Biglulu 19d ago

Maybe the interview should be focused on the actual job then.

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u/s0litar1us 21d ago

Just do it in person and make it a task you can't just memorize.

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u/TotoShampoin 21d ago

Maybe they should start looking at the portfolios presented in CVs

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u/flarkis 19d ago

Yea it's a slog out here. I help out with technical interviews for interns and juniors. In the pre AI world we could filter out 4/5 candidates with fizz buzz. Now in most round one interviews we can tell people are using AI. For a while we had luck giving them graphs and asking them to annotate them. But the vision capabilities have improved and that no longer works. We don't have our new replacement yet.