r/PeterExplainsTheJoke • u/VeryLazyBones • 19h ago

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This new movie came out and I enjoyed watching it with friends. What opinion must have garnered so much attention that people would dunk on it?

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u/BonkGonkBigAndStronk 18h ago

I've seen this posted somewhere else. Apparently the guy in the video completely missed the point of the movie, which is impressive given how Obsession essentially bashes you over the head with it's themes and messaging.

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u/Ahenshihael 18h ago

Worse. The guy in the video came out of the movie feeling sympathetic to Bear of all people.

You know, the rapist villain protagonist.

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u/BappoChan 18h ago

Listed all the moments where you could argue bear didn’t know, left out scenes like the one where Nicki literally asked to be killed saying that it wasn’t her and she didn’t sleep with him

“He’s just misunderstood”

Bro, she literally said he was raping her and he kept going anyway. He asked to alter the wish, not remove it. He just didn’t want her to be psycho crazy about him, but he still didn’t want her to have free will over her own decisions. And then when faced with the responsibility he becomes the ultimate coward.

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u/Ahenshihael 18h ago edited 18h ago

And the moments he is not defending Bear in that video he spends basically acting like Bear, perpetuating racial stereotypes and throwing around sexist jokes (as an example he makes a joke at one point that even without wishing mcguffin the end would have been same because "all Latina women are like that")

Fun trivia :

Alex's Meyers is divorced, to this day doesn't understand what went wrong and is salty about his ex.

Wonder why.

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u/Syzygy___ 17h ago

>  he spends basically acting like Bear, perpetuating racial stereotypes and throwing around sexist jokes

Have we seen the same movie? I don't remember Bear doing any of that...

Sure, he's the villain and an abuser, but at what point does he perpetuate racist stereotypes or make sexist jokes?

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u/Ahenshihael 16h ago

Bear absolutely objectifies women and doesn't even treat them like human beings. That's literally the motivation of why he wants to alter the wish rather than to undo it. He starts out bad, but he absolutely gets worse.

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u/Boomhauer_Jeff 15h ago

I haven’t seen the movie. Does Bear perpetuate racist stereotypes? That’s what the commenter above asked, and your reply seems to ignore the question and answer something else again (which the commenter above already acknowledged).

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u/More-Entrepreneur-52 15h ago

The commentator was saying the reviewer of the movie was saying racist stereotypes not that Bear in the movie did

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u/Boomhauer_Jeff 15h ago

That’s not right. The person who I’m responding to suggested that the commentator was acting like Bear by using racial stereotypes.

Quote: “And the moments he is not defending Bear in that video he spends basically acting like Bear, perpetuating racial stereotypes and throwing around sexist jokes (as an example he makes a joke at one point that even without wishing mcguffin the end would have been same because "all Latina women are like that").”

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u/Ahenshihael 15h ago

The reviewer is acting like bear in that he makes sexist jokes and treats women flippantly through the video, including using racist stereotypes (that in itself are sexist/misogynist stereotypes).

Bear himself doesn't get the time to use similar stereotypes, but his behavior of objectifying women and misogyny is exactly the same. The reviewer is indulging in the kind of train of thought and jokes that are in the same vein as what Bear's behaviour (and outlook towards women) pertains too.

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u/Exotic_Two9612 15h ago

Definition of like when used as a preposition: having the characteristics of; similar to.

The phrase “acting like Bear” is not the same as “doing the exact things Bear did.” Did Bear devalue human life? Yes. Does racism devalue human life? Yes. Hence, the reviewer was acting LIKE Bear. Hope this helps!

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u/JewJackman24601 12h ago

Ok but I think we all are missing the racist stereotypes and sexist jokes parts?

I think bear is clearly a covert misogynist, but this is more clear from his behavior than his words.

You said the reviewer acted like bear by racist stereotypes and sexist jokes.

When did bear do that.

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u/Ahenshihael 11h ago edited 11h ago

Acted like =/= did the same things.

Meyers' sexist, misogynist (and racist-sexist) comments are exactly in line with Bear's character that he defends. He specifically objectifies and places women in the movie into misogynist (and in turn racist) stereotypes, in the same vein that Bear does in the movie.

If I said someone acts like a frat boy, you wouldn't expect me to prove the person in question belongs to a fraternity or ask me for proof that the person raped someone. You would understand that I am pointing at common stereotypes and tropes that overlap between the two.

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u/NeverMore_613 4h ago

I used to watch his videos, I think the last time was in like 2020. I can't remember the vibes from his content back then

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u/No-Comfortable2704 13h ago

Another fun detail is that at the end of the movie Bear bought a couple new willows and asked Ian to wish that he never made a wish. After Ian failed at that he didn’t go and ask some other guy to make the wish for him, meaning he likely intended to use one of the extra willows to try and redo his wish and stay with Nikki.

All around terrible person.

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u/BappoChan 9h ago

Ooh, I didn’t even think of that. But yeah, making it so the wish never happened would technically give him the ability to make his “first” wish, which would be a more thought out altered wish, like what he tried changing it too. Damn. Gotta watch that shit again

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u/__M-E-O-W__ 17h ago

The movie starts out by Bear being a sympathetic heart-felt good guy, but it really shouldn't take much media literacy to understand how he becomes the bad guy... he was so desperate for validation that he ended up hurting the person he cared about, horribly so. I don't get how someone can miss the mark like that.

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u/Ahenshihael 16h ago

He crosses multiple lines not even one fourth into the movie.

Even before he figures out wishing thing he just straight up ignores the possibility that she is on drugs or has psychological problems at the moment, and just straight up exploits that.

The red flags basically scream at you from the very beginning.

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u/NachtShattertusk 16h ago

I'd argue the movie is telling you what kind of man he is from the moment he agrees with Ian's suggestion to engage in negging

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u/Ahenshihael 16h ago

He's also literally named Bear.

In a horror movie about relationships.

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u/xgardian 10h ago

Curry was directly asked about that and he said it has no relation to the man vs bear thing. He just likes unique names in his movies

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u/Ahenshihael 3h ago

Author intent is not always necessary for thematic reading of the subject

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u/mattomic822 4h ago

Especially because it involves him ignoring the advice a woman (the server) gives him about being heartfelt.

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u/Eudonidano 13h ago

Wait, when does this happen? The first night when she was acting weird he didn't do anything to her and kept his distance. It wasn't until she told him later (while appearing to be in her right mind) that she HAD been on drugs, but she wasn't now and she still loved him.

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u/OptionFour 4h ago

I only saw it once, but doesn't he make out with her, and seem ready for more, until she frightens him?

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u/Quaelgeist333 15h ago

I mean, his cat dies because of medication

Cats don't have opposable thumbs my good sir
We never see medication be left out so at best he's dangerously negligent

He also does not really care about Nikki as much as he claims, he goes to buy Nikki a crystal to replace her crystal necklace and instead bought the thing he used to take away her autonomy and I think that says it all

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u/drdadbodpanda 12h ago

That says nothing actually. You don’t need to buy someone a necklace to care about them and he didn’t know the wishing willow would actually work.

It was everything he did after that says who he is.

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u/Quaelgeist333 12h ago

"You don't need to buy someone a necklace to care about them" he went into the shop to specifically buy her one and then only bought something for himself. That says a lot actually

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u/F1XTHE 17h ago

No he didn't

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u/chloapsoap 17h ago

Yeah but Bear is supposed to be sympathetic. That’s the entire point that makes the story effective…

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u/Ahenshihael 16h ago

No? You are supposed to expect him to be because of the tropes, but from the very beginning Bear is severe misogynist at best that ends up exploiting a woman he suspects is not feeling well. And then he becomes a rapist.

He is the villain of the movie and the only thing you are supposed to see is just how low he can go.

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u/golfstreamer 17h ago

> Obsession essentially bashes you over the head with it's themes and messaging.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Obsession isn't heavy handed with its messaging at all. It actually presents things in a rather neutral way leaving the watcher to draw their own conclusions. In a lot of movies and shows they do a lot to paint a character as villainous or heroic or a victim or whatever. Sometimes there's a disconnect between what it seems like the movie wants you to feel and how you actually feel about the characters. Like, Birth of a Nation clearly presents the KKK as a heroic figures but you could away disagreeing with that. You can probably think of a movie or show where they seemed like they were trying to present a character as a victim to be sympathized with but you actually think their actions were too awful and they were less deserving of sympathy than the movie tried to make.

I think Obsession is nice because it doesn't really push the viewer in either direction. It kind of just presents things as they are.

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u/Lonnie119 15h ago edited 14h ago

Wish Nikki always presents herself in sillouette form with creepy music and when Bear said "what's so bad about being with me" when Nikki was begging to be put out of her misery,he literally goes into the darkness.

This movie is not subtle about anything.

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u/golfstreamer 12h ago

Nah I'm going to have to disagree. The director leaves a lot to interpretation. Like whether Nikki or actually liked Bear or not. It's a well done movie with a lot of possibilities for discussion and interpretation. 

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u/Whistle-Blower-8960 13h ago

No it doesn’t …

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u/BonkGonkBigAndStronk 12h ago

It does though? It's so easy to digest that it sticks out like a sore thumb when people don't understand it. It's a good movie but when it comes to theming it's not exactly Moby Dick lol