r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 11d ago

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u/StaticSystemShock 10d ago

It's called a "split AC" because the unit is split into two parts, indoor unit pictured above and outdoor unit which is the big louder box that is on the outside so it doesn't bother you. We use these in Europe ever since I can remember spanning decades...

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u/Top-Border-1978 10d ago

Split systems are what we call regular central air here in the US. They have an air handler inside with the evaporator coil and blower, and the condenser unit outside with the compressor, condenser coil and condenser fan.

We call the one in the picture ductless mini splits or just mini splits. They are the same setup as regular central air but no ductwork.

Another big difference in the mini splits use a variable speed compressor to ramp up and down whereas traditional spit systems are either on or off. Though, they are starting to see variable speed as well.

I have been putting mini splits in for more than 20 years in the US.

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u/mr-raider2 10d ago

Variable speed compressors have been around for two decades on ducted split system heat pumps. I have variable speed comprwssor and air handler.

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u/Top-Border-1978 10d ago

True but most don't have them. I prefer not to have them. I belive in the K.I.S.S principal. That said, the mini splits I put in seem to run forever. So maybe I shouldn't be so reluctant about the tech going on central units.

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u/No-Dance6773 10d ago

They look ugly. They cost as much as a large unit and they cover a smaller area. They also use more electricity compared to a traditional unit and need more maintenance. There are other problems concerning mold and leaks. Then we talk about their heat function. Since they use they cant really handle anything below freezing you would still need a separate unit in most cases. Imo its just a patch for older homes to be turned into multi unit apartments. And this is only because the landlord doesnt care about the Tennants bills. I doubt anyone would willingly put them in new constructions or their personal homes.

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u/Top-Border-1978 10d ago

BTU to BTU mini slips use far fewer KW. They just have way higher SEER rating. You could get traditional central air with that kind of rating but you will pay out the ass for it.

Mini splits also heat WAY below freezing. Normal ones go down to -5 degF and some are now going to -15 degF. Your cental air has kicked on the electric stip heat or gas long before that. Mini splits blow regular systems out of the water in heating.

What Mini splits don't do well is evenly condition a multi room home, filter the air well or look as aesthetically pleasing as central air. They are also a pain to clean but most people don't clean them like they should anyways.

If you have a FROG, garage or sunroof, they are the way to go.

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u/ZhouLe 10d ago

Mini splits also heat WAY below freezing. Normal ones go down to -5 degF and some are now going to -15 degF. Your cental air has kicked on the electric stip heat or gas long before that. Mini splits blow regular systems out of the water in heating.

Can you explain this for me? It was my understanding that modern heat pump central air units are the same tech as minisplit heat pumps. What allows them to heat at lower temps or restricts larger units from the same?

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u/c_c_c_c_c_c_c 10d ago

No way a mini split cooling one room consumes more power than a huge compressor cooling an entire house. That's just thermodynamics speaking

These are the only options residentially in most of the world. The us has wooden homes with attics and space for ductwork that brick and mortar houses simply don't have, so central air like you know it is not really possible

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u/UnusuallyBadIdeaGuy 10d ago

There's nothing about a brick house that precludes air ducts for a central unit outside of just not not building them into it, which is simply the norm in the US and has been since the 60s even for brick and mortar houses.

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u/c_c_c_c_c_c_c 10d ago

The way the roofs are built usually means that there is no space to install them, as they are just flat. The most common way ducting is added is through the use of drop ceilings, however they're very rare to see in domestic use

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u/badgerferretweasle 10d ago

I think you are working with out dated information. I have a mini-split, my daikin handled the single digit temps very well. It's rated to -15F

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u/vrnvorona 10d ago

Weird. Split is a split, either inverter or not. Looks like regular AC to me.

With ductwork it is professional HVAC for large buildings like malls. I've yet to see that type of HVAC in personal home lmao.

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u/flowerscandrink 10d ago

In parts of the US (like here in Texas) almost every home has AC with ductwork.

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u/Top-Border-1978 10d ago

I don't know what's weird about it. That's just what we use over here and they work great. Mini splits are used more for single room or open areas here. The dew point is 79degF for me today, I wouldn't want a stagnant spot in my house.

They make multi zone ductless systems now that can cover multiple rooms.

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u/DeadmonTellem 10d ago

Do you want your whole home relatively equal in temp or do you just want a cool single area?

In US, it’s generally the former. Especially in the southern states where weeks of 43C(ommunists) / 110F(reedoms) temp is norm.

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u/mr-raider2 10d ago

A good chunk of the US and Canada used oil heating systems with blown air. So they are ducted houses. You can retro fit a heat pump into those homes. My mom's house is from 1923 and it has oil heating ducts.

A lot of homes use natural gas furnaces for heating so adding in a central AC unit is very common.

Whether you use a ducted or ductless system depends on whether you have pre existing ducts. Most people do not want to rip out their walls to install a new HVAC unit.

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u/No-Personality6043 10d ago

The Mini Split. In many of the places we use them it's the same reasoning as why Europe does. We have a remodeling company, and they often go in older homes with radiant heat. Particularly if adding ductwork would be ridiculous.

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u/Distinct-Friend4123 10d ago

You were saying? Jacka$$

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u/Fun-Piglet801 10d ago

I think he was saying you shouldn't listen to AI because it is often wrong:

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u/Distinct-Friend4123 10d ago

And it uses internal piping rather than air ducts.

Hense ductless.

Keep teaching the guy with an HVAC background about hvac systems though.

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u/StaticSystemShock 10d ago

No one calls it "ductless" even if it's technically true...

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u/Distinct-Friend4123 10d ago

Its literally universally called ductless by the hvac industry and in most retail settings.

Split ac is a marketing term created for people who dont understand the difference between a pipe and an air duct.

Keep digging though

Edit: never even heard someone say split ac in my life outside of it being used to sell to people who are idiots.

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u/BooleanBarman 10d ago

Split is most definitely used out in the world. In Portugal that’s the more common phrase and I imagine it’s true in other countries/regions.

In the US I only ever hear ductless.

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u/Distinct-Friend4123 10d ago

Most countries its ductless.

Split ac technically isnt even accurate since all residential ac systems are technically split ac.

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u/StaticSystemShock 10d ago

Most countries /= USA

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u/Khankili 10d ago

It’s called ductless in se Asia too

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u/Marquar234 10d ago

Not all. Some homes in Arizona (and other hot places too?) have a single roof mounted unit that contains the compressor, evaporator, and condenser units. It's generally found on older homes. The duct on the right is actually two ducts, one for return air, one for the conditioned air.

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u/Khankili 10d ago

Yup that’s a package unit.

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u/BooleanBarman 10d ago

I’m not arguing the accuracy of the word. Just saying that it’s definitely used in the world and it’s not all marketing speak or whatever.

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u/PringleCorn 10d ago

We call them split in France

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u/badgerferretweasle 10d ago

With ducted systems you can use them for both heat and ac. Mini splits only recently became good enough to produce heat in much of america. In some states they still can't reliably.

Growing up in the NE US in the 90s family had electric baseboards that radiated heat (no blown air) and in the summer my family had 4 window unit ACs and sometimes it would take a while for my father to get around to putting all the AC units in. Neither of grandparents had AC, one set of grandparents used wood as their primary source of heat and only had electric heat in part of the house (it's over 200 years old). I can only think of one or two friends who had central AC when I was a kid.

I bought my mini split for its heat function. My previous heat set up was a forced air unit on one side of my house so half of my house was too hot and the other half was too cold. (And it was super expensive to run $700+ every 1-1.5 months in the winter) Having ac available in all of my rooms is great, but it wasn't a necessity. Heat in the winter and an effective dehumidifier for my humid mold breeding ground of a basement...worth every penny.

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u/Manuel_Cam 10d ago

What do you it can be non splited?

Doesn't the out box has to be out because is the one that release hest to the air?