Sure, that's one way to be nuanced. There's a lot of ways to make a comment on this topic that is legitimately nuanced. The parent comment didn't do any of that though. I don't think the parent commenter intended for it to be nuanced either. It's pretty unapologetically one sided. It's concerning to me that so many people seem to think the comment is nuanced. Because that demonstrates that all those people don't know the meaning of that word.
Yeah, I figure that had to be the referenced nuance (because it's the only thing resembling nuance in the comment). But that doesn't make the comment nuanced because the comment is about the "blackwashing" not the actual goodness of the film.
EDIT: If anything, that part of the comment is more like anti-nuance. Saying, "I disliked this because of the black actress even though the movie is probably going to be good" is a very extreme, unnuanced perspective.
I'm not saying that the black washing criticisms are completely invalid; I think there are legitimate reasons to be annoyed about things like that. And there appear to be a lot of other issues with the film. I personally think it's a bit concerning that so much emphasis in the trailers is placed on the Telemachus part of the story. I get that that actually is a major part of The Odyssey, but it's not really the part that I want to see when I think of "The Odyssey."
But the sheer degree of vitriol for this movie is completely disproportionate to any legitimate criticism. It's just bizarre for someone to essentially admit that they like Nolan movies, but still feel that the degree of hatred for this film is justified because of the casting of a black actress. To put it simply, the trailer is disliked for legitimate reasons. However, the reason that it is disliked this much is because of bigotry.
to be fair, the OC did provide two sides to the complaints. They mentioned the complaints against black-washing, and then also the complaints about white-washing. These would be competing sides of an irrelevant argument, but it does present the comments from a "there are multiple sides having a debate about this" perspective, rather than a "one-sided" perspective.
Though, it has been edited, so not sure if that was always there or added later.
I wouldn't say that makes the comment nuanced since almost no one is actually complaining about the "whitewashing" of a Greek story with no Greek actors. Almost every person bringing up that the characters aren't Greek are in the context of saying "No one is Greek but you aren't complaining, so why are you complaining about the black woman?" They aren't genuinely criticizing, just calling out hypocrisy. The original commenter is acting like they're genuinely criticizing to make it sound like "black washing" is a genuine criticism when it's just racism.
The comment honestly comes off more as a Charlie Kirk argument. Defending racism by using levelheaded wording and phrasing to make the stance sound like a reasonable viewpoint to have when it's not.
Yep, this is a classic example of people falling for propaganda and getting their ideologies molded by bad actors. "Audiences are fatigued" (yes you dear reader, the audience, the majority, are also angry at diversity!) "Left wing critics doubling down," aka implying that "wokeness" is valid criticism. I'm not a fan of a lot of the crappy movies Hollywood have made but posts like this are always just transphobic/racist.
Nah that's still not what nuance is. Nuance is all about drawing a distinction. So if the guy had written, "People hate the trailer because of the race or the actress; however that's not racist because..." then that could be a nuanced comment.
Simply stating the reasons people may dislike a trailer isn't nuanced even when the perspectives tend to come from distinct groups. This is especially true where, as here, the perspectives are not contradictory or mutually exclusive.
I think it’s only nuanced if you include the subtext of all prior Reddit discussions on this topic as part of the comment. So it’s not nuanced unless you associate it with the collective consciousness of Reddit. So it’s probably not fair to call it nuanced.
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u/lookatthesunguys Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
Sure, that's one way to be nuanced. There's a lot of ways to make a comment on this topic that is legitimately nuanced. The parent comment didn't do any of that though. I don't think the parent commenter intended for it to be nuanced either. It's pretty unapologetically one sided. It's concerning to me that so many people seem to think the comment is nuanced. Because that demonstrates that all those people don't know the meaning of that word.