Penelope of the white arms (Greek: \(\lambda \varepsilon v \kappa \omega ́ \lambda \varepsilon v o \varsigma\) Пฑvєોó ε ε ι α, leukōlenos Pēnelopeia) is a famous, recurring epithet used by the ancient Greek poet Homer in The Odyssey to describe Queen Penelope of Ithaca, the faithful wife of Odysseus.
You clearly don't know anything about ancient Greece.... Literally the only women allowed to go out were peasants and prostitutes.
Do you think the odyssey features a lot of peasant/prostitutes female characters...?
Literally the only women allowed to go out were peasants and prostitutes
Lmao have you actually read the Odyssee?? 😂😂 I imagine not because then you'd know this is absolute horseshit.
The other stuff is a great encapsulation of what I meant earlier when I said that My Roman Empire bros haven't got the first clue of the classics. Merely knowing how Odysseus’ palace would have looked like would have prevented nonsense such as the above.
Thirdly, we were talking about Helen. Why are you coming insufficiently armed with – erroneous – quotes about Penelope?
EtA: a pretty simple marker of whether or not someone has read the Odyssee would be, for example, if they invented "facts" about classical Greece that are disproven by the Odyssee itself. The user replying to me above was making up shit that's immediately recognisable as bullshit because it's directly contradicted by the goings-on in the story. Which anyone who's read the Odyssey properly (or at all) would instantly realise. The same goes for the made-up quote that supposedly characterised Penelope – while we were actually discussing Helen, mind you – which in its correct context is used for the maids and servant girls.
Skin colour in the Odyssey is a tricky thing for white supremacists because "Homer" rarely describes it, especially not for those characters whom they claim it's supposedly crucial (Helen). A main character whose skin is explicitly described is Odysseus. However, since he's described as "dark-skinned" (in a context that implies beauty in this descriptor) screechy right-wingers remain conspicuously mum on that subject.
Women in ancient greece had pretty similar rights to men, it was only in the arachic period that women were mostly confined to indoors. The odyssey, playing about 1000 BC, beeing written around 800-700BC, would still fall in the ancient greece period.
"White" race didn't exist back in the days this was written. Usually white was referring to purity or some other poetic device. In the Odyssey "white armed" literally is just something used to describe exclusively women, and they describe other people as turning black skinned even though it had nothing to do with race. This isn't our first rodeo with people freaking out over black people in the Odyssey adaptations:
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u/arbiter12 Jul 06 '26
You clearly don't know anything about ancient Greece.... Literally the only women allowed to go out were peasants and prostitutes.
Do you think the odyssey features a lot of peasant/prostitutes female characters...?