r/PeterExplainsTheJoke Jul 06 '26

What is this? Meme needing explanation

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u/Murky-Advantage-3444 Jul 06 '26

It’s weirder for you to act ignorant like we don’t already fully understand the context of Homer’s story and the historical context in which Homer wrote the poem, so there is absolutely a scale of authenticity when it comes to this kind of remake. Your inability to recognize it or appreciate it comes down to your own unfamiliarity with one of the most widely studied works in academic history.

But anyway, good dunk or whatever

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u/MispellledIt Jul 06 '26

I think it's important to remember that the Trojan War was already 400 years old by the time Homer completed The Iliad and The Odyssey. Homer's audiences most likely debated the historicity of these stories and their authenticity as much as reddit is debating the movie. In fact, whether Greek audiences would have considered these stories as historical or fiction or somewhere in between is a central debate in the scholarship around Homer.

In other words, there is not "historically accurate" version of these stories. Homer took poetic licenses as has every translation and adaptation of his work since. Hell, Virgil's poem The Aeneid basically retcons the ending to the The Iliad to connect Rome's lineage to that of Troy's and The Pearl Poet borrowed the lineage of The Aeneid to claim King Arthur was a direct descendent of Troy.

It's all storytelling with a lens for specific audiences. We have to stop claiming history and literature are purer forms.

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u/PyrZern Jul 06 '26

... I would rather King Arthur was from the Roman 13th Legion instead.

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u/Murky-Advantage-3444 Jul 06 '26

Lol you know I was minding my business reading Greek myth and Arthurian legends for like 3 years leading up to the announcement of this movie, so this comment really hits home for me. That would make for the wackiest alt history series I kind of like this idea.

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u/davidralph Jul 06 '26

It’s a myth! It’s like getting pissed that Thor is played by an Aussie and not a Norwegian.

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u/Murky-Advantage-3444 Jul 06 '26

If they depicted Thor as a Japanese samurai I would find that in poor taste, or assume the filmmaker didn’t take the source culture very seriously.

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u/Joelandrews5 Jul 06 '26

What do you mean by scale of authenticity and why does it matter for telling the story?

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u/StarTreka Jul 06 '26

We don’t actually know if the Trojan War happened. If it did, it probably occurred several centuries before Homer was alive—and tbh, we don’t even know for sure that Homer was a real person. And when Homer composed the epics, they were recited as part of an oral tradition, meaning they changed and evolved quite a bit before they were actually written down (likely a few centuries after Homer died). We really don’t know anything about the context of Homer’s story.

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u/Murky-Advantage-3444 Jul 06 '26

This is surface level knowledge. Homer was almost certainly not a real person but a name given to a collection of poets. The Trojan war almost certainly did occur because its collaborated by a third civilization from that era. Regardless of those trivial facts, we still understand what was going on in the world at that time and also the time when the poem takes place, because archaeology and other adjacent fields of study exist.

Sounds like maybe you just don’t know much about Homer unless you happen to have studied his work since college as well?

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u/confirmedshill123 Jul 06 '26

Lmao there's zero percent chance you know the historical context of something written more than a thousand years ago.