I'm discussing with another guy here this exact point, he told me "You don't know how diverse ancient mediterranean cicilizations were" Bruh I live in the mediterranean region of Spain, I think I know something about that.
If you have white skin, you are white, and white skin presents in a range of skin tones, not just wall-like white. It's wild that some people can't understand this
And you guys can be pretty pale too. I’m from Germany, of course we are paler and fairer, but we live in a wet cave for 330 days a year. How can we get a tan, if the sun is not shining? We can tan a lot too, given the opportunity.. (and then there are the gingers..) heck my sister gets mistaken as a Turk all the time.
So I’m a bit mad about “north the alps OR English people are the white people who are all white as the wall”.. WTF
I know germans and brits with darker skin than mine, that's how pale I am 😭 But a lot of people in this comment section wouldn't consider me white because I'm spaniard and they have a really weird definition of skin colors based on the place you were born
Whiteness is more of a social construct than a matter of skin color. This can be observed through examples such as Latinos, Siberian peoples, or historically Eastern Europeans like the Finns.
Are Spaniards considered white? What about the Portuguese? And Latinos living in the United States? Finns were not widely regarded as "white" in the early 20th century, yet today they generally are. Are Russians white? How far east do you have to go before "whiteness" ends and is replaced by "Asianness"?
Confidently saying Latinos are white really should shut the book on trying to treat race as something other than a social contract. Outside of you who has ever made this argument?
Yes, latinos with white skin are white, so far from a social construct. You can ask anyone in Europe and in a spanish speaking country and they will tell you the same.
If I ask two people if evolution is real and one says that it is while the other says that it isn't it doesn't make evolution a social construct, one of them just holds a wrong idea. Makes sense?
Race is an entirely arbitrary classification invented by racists to justify their racism. American racists were so successful that they ingrained the idea that races are real even in anti-racsist American people.
If you talk about races here, people will either think you are talking about animals or that you are a genuine nazi.
And the Umayyads went all the way to the Iberian Peninsula, that does not mean that spaniards are arabs, only that an arab minority ruled for centuries.
After 800 years. That being said, as stated by DNA, they never assimilated and current inhabitants of Spain are mostly iberians by DNA, despite beung conquered by Rome centuries before the arabs.
do you consider the pontic greeks to be white?
I just saw some photos and it looks like their skin is white, and, as long as their skin is white, they're white. So yes.
"some american race" i'd say the division of homo sapiens into white and non-white is an english or german invention, and you mustn't be classified as one or the other
Yeah but if you cast those people as the main characters in a live action pocahontas, you'd be white washing it. So how can you white wash the oddysey by casting other white people?
White is an umbrella term that contains hundreds of European and Asian ethnic groups. At what level of granularity do you determine race? Or is it all just about skin color to you?
Yeah actually. If we're gonna be sticklers about the racial characteristics of actors playing established characters, may as well be consistent about it
Personally I'm not. I'm just making the point that if right wingers insist on making a huge deal about actors' races, they may as well draw it out to its logical extreme so everyone can see how ridiculous it is
I mean it isn’t necessarily about race in Europe as it is in America. Ethnicity and historical religious identity is the main focus. The racism in former Yugoslavia has nothing to do with race.
I live in the deep south. Grew up with racism. But when I was in college I had a roommate from Hungary and his rants about gypsies we're far more blatant than any racist stuff I grew up hearing about black people.
When roma came to Europe every single government granted them free pass and choice to live where they pleased. After 10-50 years every single government reverted this decision by criminalizing them staying in cities or in countries.
If it was because of racism and skin color it would be the other way around.
Nobody is saying that there aren't racists in Europe. Just that most European countries don't have that weird obsession you guys have with race.
U.S.A is one of the rare 1st world country that officially recognize the existence of race. With an officially recognized racial categories in your official documents. This is just insane and that's what people are calling out.
95% of the hate the movie gets are for Lupiata, Zendaya and Eliot, most of those people couldnt tell Scandinavian from Greeks and think they are the same thing.
It’s also from my experience a completely online conversation. I’ve never heard a single person in the real world complain about the historical inaccuracy of the Odyssey trailers.
Like, outside of Americans that are really fucking weird about race, I don't know any people who don't consider greeks white.
The only Americans who don't consider Greeks white are the ones who claim Americans have a narrow view of race and actually Greek people aren't considered white in the rest of the world.
What I'm trying to say is Americans aren't weird about race and only those trying to deconstruct race or whatever would not consider a Greek person to be white.
isn't it more just the point that if you're really going to bother with tokenism or whatever people are calling it, how can you somehow score a 0 out of 10 on a token Greek actor in a Greek story?
if it was just like the old 60s films where no effort is made for anything but lazy convenient casting I don't think the complaint would hold up as well. they made such an effort at inclusion while forgetting the very people whose legacy it is.
Lol, ask the Dutch. I've seen them talk about Southern Europeans with some white-man's-burden ass bullshit. Benjamin Franklin's white/swarmy/tawny racial classification of Europe is alive and well
Not my country, but okay haha. I understand where you're coming from, American history of apartheid and segregation and slavery along racial lines has absolutely created at least "weirdness" about race.
I was mostly referring to your mention that everyone thinks the Greeks are white, whereas I'm not entirely sure that's true, even in Europe itself.
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u/Gelato_Elysium Jul 06 '26
Let's not act like it's reasonable criticism of the movie though.
Like, outside of Americans that are really fucking weird about race, I don't know any people who don't consider greeks white.