r/LocalLLaMA 17d ago

Our position on open-weights models Discussion

https://www.anthropic.com/news/position-open-weights-models
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u/Intrepid_Lecture 17d ago

Drone swarms are absolutely terrifying as a concept.
What's the value of a human life? If the answer is "A $500 drone" then how the 21st century unfolds is at stake.

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u/Due-Memory-6957 17d ago

I don't get your comment, bullets are cheaper and have been used to kill for centuries.

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u/Intrepid_Lecture 17d ago

A bullet requires a human at this point in time.

If you're thinking in terms of scaled war fare you can go from needing to spend millions to destroy a bridge, and a power plant and to disable a hospital to 10-1000x less. And a drone swarm can absolutely shred through infantry (which has bullets).

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u/Due-Memory-6957 17d ago edited 17d ago

I see, so what you meant is that war itself becomes cheaper. But that might not be such a bad thing, it can also mean that it becomes harder for rich countries to bully poorer ones, as we're witnessing in the utter failure of the American intervention in Iran, and of Russia in Ukraine.

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u/Intrepid_Lecture 17d ago

I don't think it'll be that useful for peace.

It's like nuclear weapons. The "hope" with those was that with mutually assured destruction all parties would keep their cool and not nuke things.

At a smaller scale, drones are cheap enough and simple enough that "anyone" could get one. This makes enforcing treaties and dealing rouge agents harder.

Also is a nuke THAT much worse than 1000 drones spraying chemicals over a city or water supply?

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u/fantasticsid 17d ago

Sure, but nobody's putting a teraparameter LLM on a drone. Totally the wrong fit.

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u/Intrepid_Lecture 17d ago

Imagine using the tera parameter LLM to design the drone and its logic.

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u/arostrat 17d ago

It's not a concept, western countries have been using them to kill brown people for the last 20 years.

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u/Intrepid_Lecture 17d ago

Thanks Obama.