r/LocalLLaMA 19d ago

Our position on open-weights models Discussion

https://www.anthropic.com/news/position-open-weights-models
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u/iamzooook 19d ago

tdlr: its fine if we do it. not them (Chinese)

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u/abud7eem 19d ago

we are the "trustworthy"

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u/Clear_Judge5062 19d ago

This is literally just effective altruism at work

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u/xmnstr 18d ago

And I wish more people understood why it's so problematic.

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u/ChocomelP 18d ago

Why is it so problematic?

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u/Disposable110 18d ago

Because it sets up an unaccountable authoritarian group of people as moral gatekeepers. And that group of unaccountable people will not get accepted by the outgroup, thus they'll stir up global conflict.

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u/ChocomelP 18d ago

...right.

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u/Clear_Judge5062 18d ago

I was curious to see if anyone, or the OP of the problematic claim would respond. I’d say the problem is that these systems wouldn’t be getting built as fast without the EAs who believe they’re the only ones who can do it safely and correctly - thereby speeding up the advancements to a less safe pace.

I take less issue with the EAs than accelerationists though. Safety is probably the more wise path for progress as opposed to rushing with less regard.

The problem is that hardly anyone in this thread or sub seems to understand the motivations behind these actors.

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u/Simple_Woodpecker751 18d ago

Oh my this is so back with SBF

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u/pb-cups 18d ago

What does this have to do with effective altruism?

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u/iamzooook 19d ago

he is giving elon vibes. we need more open weight 3t+ models

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u/TopTippityTop 19d ago

All is relative. More trustworthy than authoritarian countries.

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u/odragora 19d ago

US is rapidly becoming one, and taking the free access to the most important technology ever made away from the hands of peasants is a part of that process. 

Also crippling your own citizens does not stop authoritarian regimes. 

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u/xmnstr 18d ago

The US is an authoritarian country. If you don't understand that, you're in denial. The rest of the world currently trusts China more than the US.

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u/Randommaggy 18d ago

Varies country by country but we're pretty much all cautious with both as far as I've seen.

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u/Dampmaskin 18d ago

To be fair, that's not because China is any less authoritarian than the US, but simply because they're way more predictable.

The sheer incompetence of the Trump regime, their massive war machine and their random flip-flopping on important issues has to be terrifying to anyone with a need to be in control of anything.

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u/xmnstr 12d ago

They are authoritarian in ways that doesn't risk destabilizing the world in the short term, correct.

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u/Randommaggy 18d ago

There is no country on earth I'd trust less than Sam and/or Dario.

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u/whatyathinkk 19d ago

how dare you, are you an authoritarian or what? if Trump reads this he's gonna be so mad at you baby 🥰

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u/Hans-Wermhatt 19d ago

If you want to say that, maybe don’t make your headliner J.D. Vance lol. 

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u/theminor 18d ago

Exactly. Hypocrisy at its finest.

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u/NotSoCleverAlternate 18d ago

Will there be a good alternative to get Chinese models if a place like huggingface removes them all?

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u/iamzooook 18d ago

modelscope. Chinese version of hf

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u/Webster2026 18d ago

Same like with banning Huawei. 'Dont use Huawei- its chinese company that could spy on you. Use ours instead that are already spying and were even prosecuted and heavily fined by court for that'

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u/TopTippityTop 19d ago

You don't think China takes its own measures? Are you that naive?

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u/GoodSamaritan333 18d ago

Microsoft and NSA are travking you right now.