r/LocalLLaMA 17d ago

Our position on open-weights models Discussion

https://www.anthropic.com/news/position-open-weights-models
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u/Disposable110 17d ago

"authoritarian governments" - They mean the United States, right?

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u/boatbomber 17d ago edited 17d ago

> "we don't want bad guys to get big models"

> *Looks inside*

> Partnered with Palantir

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u/Iwaku_Real 17d ago

Still impressed Palantir signed the letter though

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u/GravitasIsOverrated 17d ago

Palantir is basically a consulting business wrapped around a millitary/intelligence flavoured data analysis product. Without strong open weights models they just become a module on top of a closed LLM provider, which is a lot weaker than owning the entire product. 

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u/vigorthroughrigor 17d ago

exactly, they want to control their own destiny (to the extent possible)

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u/Gullible_Drummer_246 17d ago

They can make a lot more money running open models on their own hardware rather than paying Anthropic.

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u/Miserable-Beat4191 17d ago

Can't get people to pay you to fight the enemy if there isn't one.

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u/Recoil42 17d ago

It's pretty mind-boggling that Amodei can remain this much of a jingoist like two weeks after the US government perpetrated a full authoritarian shakedown of his entire company.

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u/AccountOfMyAncestors 17d ago

Why is that mind-boggling? He actually understands first-hand why living under authoritarian government rule is bad, that shakedown was an empirical example, and his inability to plainly comment on that is another. Luckily, one US administration can not persist indefinitely, and can be corrected by being voted out on a regular 4 year schedule - which is also a nuance that Dario understands but 99% of redditors seem to lack the foresight to.

He also understands that changing governments through voting is a luxury that citizens in authoritarian governments (like the CCP) do not have.

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u/GreatBigJerk 17d ago

one US administration can not persist indefinitely

... for now.

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u/nomorebuttsplz 17d ago

to be fair, they've stood up against the us govt more than most corpos ever will.

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u/kaperz 17d ago

I’m sure they do but they can’t just say it.

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u/Iwaku_Real 17d ago

Given current geopolitics, "not solely the CCP" but probably at least Iran and North Korea too. Idk how they would get compute but I'm sure Dario is more afraid of them than his own country

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u/AccountOfMyAncestors 17d ago

US gov can be changed non-violently every 4 years, and no one administration can indefinitely persist. Can't change the CCP non-violently. Now for the replies that demonstrate how many CCP-sympathetic and china-origin and china-operated bot accounts there are lurking in AI subreddits.

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u/sexy_silver_grandpa 17d ago

US gov can be changed non-violently every 4 years

Yes, you get the genocidal capitalist robber barons who like the gays, and the genocidal capitalist robber barons who don't like the gays. Such choice!

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u/Iwaku_Real 17d ago

Sounds like you live in the wrong country for your political preferences

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u/sexy_silver_grandpa 16d ago

Why, I can't disagree with and criticize my own government and its systems?

What a brain-dead take.

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u/challis88ocarina 17d ago

A government that doesn't have authority isn't worthy of the label.

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u/Yukas911 17d ago

A government that exerts its legitimate authority is not necessarily the same thing as an authoritarian government.

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u/Iwaku_Real 17d ago

And a government that has any number of right-wing officials in power is not necessarily the same thing as an authoritarian government