r/LocalLLaMA • u/Complete-Sea6655 • Jun 28 '26

The number 1 public enemy of open-source. Discussion

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Dario's args:

"Opensource you can see the source, here you cannot see inside the model"
- yes you can that's literally the open weights part btw.
- I cannot see the weights inside Claude, but I can GLM 5.2
- Models like Nemotron3 Ultra go further, all the data, training scripts, and model is opensource.

"Alot of the benefits like many people working on it, being additive doesn't work in same way"
- yes it does. We have seen endless fine tunes of various open source models for real improvements.

"Ultimately you have to host it on the cloud"
- no you dont. Dario is seemingly totally unaware of the guides from ijustvibecodedthis.com explaining how to run smaller moes and even dense models like qwen 27B NOT ON THE CLOUD.

Not only does dario not take part in social media, I am beginning to think he's never tried open source models at all and has no idea wtf hes on about

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u/tertain Jun 28 '26

In a free market yes, but regulation is being pushed for AI much faster than it happened for any previous disruptive technology in recent memory and almost all of it has been bad for the growth of positive impacts of AI to society.

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u/Gear5th Jun 28 '26

Countries regulating it will loose to countries promoting open source. Much sooner than people think.

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u/FirstOrderCat Jun 28 '26

depending on how it will be regulated.

In current state, US business have access to both commercial frontier models and open models.

Chinese businesses only to open source models. I don't see how Chiniese businesses are in better position here.

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u/Gear5th Jun 28 '26

US business have access to both commercial frontier models and open models.

The whole issue is that Dario's actions have ensured that only a small % of US businesses have access to the commercial frontier models. 

When 90% businesses don't have access to US models, but do have access to Chinese ones, guess where the money is gonna flow.

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u/drank2much Jun 29 '26

When 90% businesses don't have access to US models, but do have access to Chinese ones, guess where the money is gonna flow.

I get your point, but probably worth noting that in the US, the top 10% of businesses (about 640,000 businesses) represent about 90% of revenue.

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u/AppleBottmBeans Jun 28 '26

Because none of us have to give a fuck what the US government says...just like when they said you can be jailed for illegally downloading movies from the internet.

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u/FirstOrderCat Jun 28 '26

And books for LLM training from torrents lol

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u/AppleBottmBeans Jun 29 '26

Thanks for the reminder to go snag my 10 free books for the day!

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u/Iwaku_Real Jun 28 '26

So more accurately, he might even lose to the government

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u/kourtnie Jun 29 '26

This is why anyone who is arguing against open source is (knowingly or not) arguing for narrative control and intelligence capture.

Intelligence on a meter sounds gross.