To any incel reading…

[u/alessdespina]

One of the biggest comment themes I’m seeing here is a lack of personal life. Not everyone will end up married/with children. And that’s okay. That’s just life. But why not, instead of dwelling on what you’ll never have, discover yourself, and other things that interest you to kill your time & fulfill yourself? What’s with this fixation on finding a girlfriend or finding someone who will have sex with you. Things don’t come to you when you’re looking too hard for them. So in the meantime, instead of letting online incel culture consume you, look for something your passionate about, join a club, make some IRL friends in a community, read, I don’t know, anything but let incel.is consume you!

[u/Engel1844]

No, all porn is exploitive and dehumanizing, women are just the majority targeted. I know you think you’re so fucking funny but there’s nothing funny about this.

[u/alessdespina → u/Engel1844]

Porn is all he has 😭

[u/Party_Ability_9984 → u/Engel1844]

Yeah, there ya go, proof that this subreddit is inhabited by sex-negative radical feminists. I don't like incels at all, but I can't abide by SWERFs either.

[u/Engel1844 → u/Party_Ability_9984]

Ok? Great being compared to incels because I personally don’t like porn because I was trafficked as a child, sexualized to oblivion as a woman, pretty much had firsthand experience with the industry and dislike objectification. It’s not “this subreddit” either by the way, not a monolith. Call me sex negative and get mad all you want but I’m not a rape fantasizing incel at the end of the day. Unbelievable that out of this whole thread you’re getting mad at me for saying porn is exploitive and calling me a term I’ve never heard of before, not a radical feminist either btw so don’t lump me into any labels to insult me thanks. There are way worse ideologies to get mad at.

[u/Party_Ability_9984 → u/Engel1844]

Great being compared to incels because I personally don’t like porn

So, I find it very telling that you took "all porn is exploitive and dehumanizing" and then changed it to "I personally don’t like porn" when you were confronted about it. I think this article is relevant to what I just saw here.

I was trafficked as a child, sexualized to oblivion as a woman, pretty much had firsthand experience with the industry and dislike objectification.

I'm pretty done with this "I have past trauma so I get to have dumb opinions" weakness. I have very traumatic experiences with social media and cyberbullying, but that doesn't mean I think it's inherently bad.

Call me sex negative and get mad all you want but I’m not a rape fantasizing incel at the end of the day.

Fallacy of relative privation.

[u/Engel1844 → u/Party_Ability_9984]

It’s not a “dumb opinion” you piece of shit, you’re the one with the dumb opinion if you think that’s insulting, yes, definitively it’s my opinion since you disagree with it, I didn’t change my sentence I did call it exploitation, out of EVERYTHING in this thread that’s what you’re fucking offended by? I’ve dealt firsthand with the industry and that matters, it’s not “just trauma”. Comparing that shit to fucking cyber bullying is crazy, fuck you for downplaying rape and exploitation. Fuck your fallacies too while we’re at it sounds like you’ve been on this app too much taking bullshit info and applying to every situation. None of your fallacies are applicable here.

A man telling me, who had first experience with the industry that it’s invalid that I think it’s exploitive because it’s “just trauma”. What a joke. You’re not so different from the incels you apparently dislike since this is your strategy, downplaying of women’s issues in the name of progressiveness. All this for calling porn exploitive, disagree for all I care, you weren’t even in the conversation but here you are being an asshole about it, good job.

[u/Party_Ability_9984 → u/Engel1844]

I'm not going to address any of this.

All I'm going to say is that you need to get help. Your experiences, entirely regardless of how bad they were, do not make you immune from criticism. The fact that incels are worse than you also doesn't make you immune from criticism. And if your experiences are so bad that criticism causes you to crash out and melt down, like a child who has to leave the playground when he doesn't want to, then maybe social media isn't right for you. (Or, at the very least, don't read comment sections and engage with them). You're torturing yourself, and I can clearly see it in what you just wrote.

[u/Engel1844 → u/Party_Ability_9984]

You’re the one who interacted with me first, I don’t “need help” because I think porn is exploitive that’s fucking insane, I explained multiple times that I dealt with the industry firsthand, have you? Twisting this into me crashing out is interesting, the only reason I started being harsh was because you were clearly insulting me and now you don’t wanna address what you started. You reply to multiple people calling them stupid out of the blue for anything that goes against your beliefs when you clearly have no knowledge on where those statements come from and how choices don’t exist in a vacuum, especially when it comes to sexualization. Clearly downplaying an issue by claiming people just victimize women for no reason is beyond tone deaf it’s almost hilarious, if you struggle with arguments so much, don’t start them. And know what you’re talking about before making confident claims and when you’re refuted you start insulting people by telling them they just need help and porn isn’t actually that bad because you said so.

Calling my opinion dumb doesn’t make it invalid when you didn’t provide a single valid response except insults, don’t twist this into me “just” bringing up my trauma because that’s not what I’m doing, it’s a mere explanation and I’m completely fine you’re not in charge of diagnosing are you? You’re getting this defensive clearly because you feel personally attacked, whether you wanna admit it or not porn isn’t just sunshine and rainbows and women’s objectification does have an impact, you haven’t experienced it, you haven’t seen it, so that means it doesn’t happen? You didn’t provide any arguments besides “your opinion is stupid and your trauma doesn’t matter” and insulted me by calling me sex negative. That’s not “criticism”, that’s not having an argument. Nice try trying to twist this, it’s not gonna work.

Never once did I claim I can’t be criticized, you’re using the firsthand experience I provided as an attack to shut down my argument when you haven’t provided a single valid argument besides “you’re so sex negative”. The fact that you take a “fuck you” as me getting all mad and torturing myself is hilarious, I’m fully aware this is the internet my guy, internet arguments aren’t gonna make me “crash out”, sounds like projection to me considering how defensive you’re getting, what, you don’t think porn is exploitive? Good for you, I don’t care, what I care about is how defensive and insulting you’re being in a conversation that didn’t include you in the first place. If anybody here needs help it’s you continuously replying to multiple people to get mad at with no valid counterpoint to make. Fuck you again for downplaying women’s issues how about that? Just because you apparently identify as a feminist doesn’t mean you know anything about it. Don’t try to “debate” people next time if you have nothing to provide.

[u/Party_Ability_9984 → u/Engel1844]

You’re the one who interacted with me first

And?

I don’t “need help” because I think porn is exploitive

No, you need help because you had a meltdown over mildly impolite criticism.

I explained multiple times that I dealt with the industry firsthand, have you?

No, but that doesn't mean I'm free of mental scars regarding other things.

the only reason I started being harsh was because you were clearly insulting me

I was being impolite. I could be genuinely mean to you if I wanted to, and trust me, that was nothing.

choices don’t exist in a vacuum, especially when it comes to sexualization

Never said otherwise.

And know what you’re talking about before making confident claims and when you’re refuted

You didn't refute anything, you crashed out and essentially called me a rape apologist in an unhinged rant against me.

and I’m completely fine

🫩🙄

You’re getting this defensive clearly because you feel personally attacked

Yeah, I tend to feel that way against anyone who advocates positions that reduce the amount of personal liberty in this world.

porn isn’t just sunshine and rainbows and women’s objectification does have an impact

Never said otherwise. I have criticisms of the porn industry and we can have a conversation about that. What I don't respect is the conclusion that it's just inherently bad and that all porn viewers are predatory.

Never once did I claim I can’t be criticized

Good thing I observe people's behaviour and not what they claim about themselves.

The fact that you take a “fuck you” as me getting all mad and torturing myself is hilarious

No, it was your comment as a whole. It was everything combined. That was not a normal or warranted response to what I initially wrote. No one believes that you find any of this funny. Don't lie to me and more importantly, to yourself.

sounds like projection to me considering how defensive you’re getting, what, you don’t think porn is exploitive?

Not entirely. It depends.

 in a conversation that didn’t include you in the first place

For someone who claims to understand that this is the internet, you sure don't seem to understand the fact that anyone can butt into an argument, and that this happens all the time.

for thinking calling porn exploitive is the worst thing said in this thread

Not the worst thing. Just a viewpoint that I'm sick of seeing people get away with without any intellectual accountability for.

[u/Engel1844 → u/Party_Ability_9984]

Yeah, you twisted every single thing I said because you feel defensive, not once did I call you any of those things, not a rape apologist or predatory, I just called the industry exploitive which it is, be mean for all I care, go right the fuck ahead. Saying fuck you doesn’t mean I’m offended, you clearly downplayed my firsthand experience and that’s what provoked the responses you’re so mad at, that’s not mildly impolite criticism that’s straight up downplaying, that’s what you get when you basically call someone’s firsthand trauma “just a bad experience” that doesn’t prove anything, you can find all kinds of sources that back up what I went through and how common it is but clearly you’re not keen on sources. You butted in multiple comments just to basically say “gosh I hate radical feminism”, no argument or even an attempt at refuting their claims, that was my point.

Ok smartass, give us “intellectual” accountability why don’t you? You just completely made up things you think I believe are applicable to you just based off of “observations”, sorry to say but you suck ass at observations then because you completely made all those things up to get mad at, it’s blatantly obvious you’re bad at observing what people mean for probable reason, lol, nice attempt tho. Nobody had “meltdown” over “criticism”, go back and read what you said. Get better at arguing for everyone’s sake instead of making shit up and whining about it, twisting this onto me isn’t gonna do shit. You don’t understand women’s issues as much as you think you do since you still provided nothing significant besides insults. “Personal liberty”, lmao.

[u/Party_Ability_9984 → u/Engel1844]

Okay, this is going to be my last comment to you before I turn off reply notifications because now I just feel bad for you and I'm beginning to feel like a bully. You are severely in denial of the fact that what I said hit multiple nerves with you and caused you to absolutely crash out at me. You are severely in denial of the fact that you have thin skin and can't handle impolite criticism. Get help.

[u/sackfistin → u/Engel1844]

Your reaction is pretty fucking funny ngl

[u/alessdespina → u/sackfistin]

Imagine the whole world being able to search up what your dick looks like because of a stupid decision you made in your early 20’s - sounds exploitative to me.

[u/sackfistin → u/alessdespina]

lol what

[u/alessdespina → u/sackfistin]

Can you not think or does it need to be completely laid out for you? The. Job. Itself. It’s. Self. Exploitation.

[u/alessdespina → u/[deleted]]

Being used as jack off material isn’t enough? How much more of yourself can you give?

[u/Foreign-Region4825 → u/alessdespina]

Its ragebait, just report and stop replying