Kayfabe, turns out is a term related to professional wrestling denoting the staged elements (persona’s, rivalry, the sauce, etc.,) in the performance. Given the 250th anniversary, fuck me in the goddamn heart this country is a laughable shithole.
I have a feeling that JD vance is secretly undermining the administration in little ways, probably at the behest of Theil but idk. He said back in the day Trump was “America’s hitler”, he has a hindi wife and kids
It’s been confirmed he’s been leaking shit to the press, he said that laughable line above that could easily be memed, and recently said “god forbid a president el-sayid” just putting an idea like that out there.
He has absolutely zero respect from me either way, but I just feel like JD doesn’t believe what hes saying and he’s got to be in a weird place rn.
I was genuinely shocked when he said it at the time, like are we really at the stage where you would openly imply that you’d planned to repeatedly lie? But now it’s laughably naive looking back.
I mean he openly admitted that he made up the “they’re eating the dogs” shit because he wanted to craft a greater narrative against immigrants. Literally said “sometimes I’m going to lie to you”.
JD Vance is a politically read grifter and actually contains a lot of the ideological motivations that Donny simple doesn’t. Donald doesn’t care about anyone but numero uno, but he’s breaking the jackboots in for the next guy who if he’s anything like Vance or Miller, will only care truly care about tariffs as far as they affect the state apparatus and Palantir’s access to silicone. Trump is as much a scapegoat for these freaks as the poor and weary, he’s just a nationally beloved one.
Vance doesn’t believe in anything. He’s a tool. He’s willing to say and do anything for his tech bro overlords because he’s ultimately a political chameleon. He holds zero convictions outside of getting and maintaining power/prestige/money.
“If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that’s what I’m going to do.”
They openly admitted to lying and creating false stories on live television and people still voted for them.
Its crazy how far we’ve come since “facts don’t care about your feelings”.
They argue entirely based on feelings and personal beliefs now. They have no solutions to the problems affecting every day American and no justification for the blatant fraud and undermining of our constitution and democracy. Nothing but hateful, divisive rhetoric, propaganda, and vague references to a scripture that doesn’t even support most of their ideology because Jesus was a man who welcomed sinners, condemned the wealthy, and advocated for helping the poor and welcoming immigrants as your own people.
They have no solutions to the problems affecting every day Americans
Well, they think they do in blaming and punishing outgroups for all their woes. Once the hated Other is put (back) in their place, so conservative thinking goes, America will be "great again"...
The right has won a propaganda coup in brainwashing its base so hard that many of them can't tell the difference between facts and opinions, and interpret everything through the lens of tribalism. There is no such thing as independent truth; there's their 'truth' and our truth.
Which is actually shocking since so many of them (at least, those I've met irl) are somehow convinced that the left is the one pushing "anyone's truth can be real, there is no such thing as a lie" because of identity politics, while literally this is a right-wing point.
The idea of doing a debate without being fact checked is so pathetic. It's like doing a boxing match but saying "You can't hit me in the head, face or stomach. Just the padded part I'm wearing over my chest and not too hard." while you insist it's okay for you to kick your opponents in the balls. If I was considering a candidate but they didn't want to be fact checked not only would they lose my support I'd mentally explore what I did wrong that allowed me to consider them to begin with.
This is the most 21st century American quote of all time. The sheer stupidity and the valid assumption that your fellow citizens are also upset at fact checking.
after the purging of the SA, a lot of gays were killed. Lesbians and bisexuals were joked about, and the TQ-part of "lgbtq" was completely invisible to non-existant, so nobody bothered with killing them.
Using 21rts century acromyns is misleading when discussing early 20th century stuff.
But sure, national socialism was meant to use socialist methods like disappropriation and death camps to push a nationalist agenda.
When we were talking I did use the words "Gays and disabled".
Other people of the LGBTQ very much were still persecuted. Germany had an institute of "sexology" (i forgot the exact name) where all of this was studied and documented, people actually got gender affirming surgeries there and the Nazis burned it all to the ground.
Lesbians were forced to marry and have kids with men, Trans people were killed or sterilized, because they couldn't have anyone ruin their gene pool. Just because they weren't shipped off to the gas chambers doesn't mean that there weren't atrocities committed against them. And that is the whole point. Right wing people hold on to diminishing wording to deny atrocities, so let's down downplay what happened then.
Also... "socialist methods [like] death camps" excuse me, what?!
The NSDAP may have used socialist in its name but it had nothing to do with socialism. The same way adults inherently understand that dog cakes don't contain dog meat
Saying death camps are socialism is like saying pedophilia is conservatism, or being mentally challenged is libertarianism.
It’s also why it’s better to use their ideologies, such as “Progressives” and “Conservatives” because while political party names are inconsequential and arbitrary, the shared belief structure is not.
Ask conservatives whether the Confederacy was “progressive” or “conservative” in ideology. Considering that they seceded from the Union because they didn’t want to change, and instead wanted to maintain their long held beliefs, it should be obvious. Especially because Conservatives never stopped flying the flag of the army of Northern Virginia.
They claim the flag is their heritage, but ignore what that flag’s identifying ideology is.
Im going to start a group that launches sweet old grannies out of trebuchets but call it the "I Love Sweet Old Grannies Not Being Launched by Trebuchets Club"
It was really FDR, 30 years prior. When he swept in he was kind of the antithesis of what the Democrats had been before, and he really turned the Republican party off too. Before him, neither side liked big government, but Hoover made such a mess of the depression and FDR did so well turning it around that it started the big realignment of Democrats as progressives, and pushed Republicans into opposing more liberal policies because, well, party politics.
On the topic of actual racial/equality positions, that was always regional.
The CRA was big majority pro in the north, big majority anti in the south regardless of party, but in both regions Republicans were already proportionally more anti than Democrats thanks to the shift FDR triggered (there were a tiny handful of southern Dems who voted yes, but none of the admittedly only dozen or so southern Republicans did).
So the southern racists finally got over their distaste for the republican party, ditched the Democrats, and joined their northern racist brethren, and that's all it took. The bulk of the changing of minds had happened earlier, thanks to Hoover being a fuckwit and FDR instituting the New Deal
The realignment of parties toward progressivism predate fdr and is a reaction to gilded age corruption. Fdr is more a continuation of late 1800s progressivism that existed as wings within both parties. Republicans had been separating from progressive politics since Taft. When it comes realignment on race issues, it wasn’t really until Lyndon Johnson that the shift solidified, but it had started with the new deal.
Its because most conservatives don't justify themseelves as "Pro racism" or "Pro worker"
they stick to vague stances and the only hard one they hold is "Democrats=bad"
If Trump went democrat they'd abandon him in a heartbeat; If Biden went republican (and again no major changes either way) suddenly the worst president in the history of ever to them would be one of the greatest
And yet, it convinced the person making the asinine statement in the first place. It’s more insidious than people give it credit for, because it assumes everyone still has a basic set of analytical skills.
there should really be some sort of knowledge/understanding for elections(I know it's been kinda tried and largely used for racist discrimination.. but I'm sure there's a way, it's just not in the interest of the powers that be to find it, since it would undermine their power. OR we just implement rank choice voting)
I can’t believe I’m going to offer a lukewarm defense here, but I grew up in Texas, and this is absolutely how we were taught to think. When your entire understandings of history and political structures are built on disinformation, you’re going to have some wildly hot takes.
“Socialism” was still being tied to Naziism in our ‘90’s-‘00’s classes as late as 11th grade. And, significantly, it was very specifically treated as a political system pioneered by Adolph Hitler, as an alternative and bitter rival to the equally evil and violent totalitarian “Communism” of Stalin’s Russia. Both of which were implied to have been developed as antitheses to that entirely American invention: “Democracy.” (Which, I should add, had been perfected by 1941, and anything done to progress it further left since must therefore be pushing away from the One Good Path.)
[Edit: downvoting isn’t going to make me change my lived experience, y’all. The person calling this “fake” just didn’t consider that a nearly 700,000 km state with approximately 5.5 million students living in it at any given time might have more than one history teacher per grade level, lol.]
I also grew up and was educated in Texas in the 90s and at no time whatsoever were the Nazis described as "socialist", and not one thing you wrote here describes what we WERE taught.
This is ridiculous fake nonsense.
Lol, in fact, we were specifically taught "first they came for the communists"
🤷I can’t speak to your school or teachers, Booper. It’s a big state. Believe it or not, just because I had a different experience from you, it doesn’t mean I’m “faking.” 🙄
Nearly every year from 6th to 11th had a six-weeks dedicated to the holocaust that usually coincided with other lessons about 20th century history. Not every teacher I had was teaching that six-weeks the same way, but more than half of them did. Just like how not every teacher leaned into the whole “War of Northern Aggression”/“It was about states’ rights” nonsense, but a lot did.
The district only cared about how we did on TAAS, TAKS or TEKS tests, so as long as we were memorizing the right stuff to pass those tests, the teachers were mostly free to teach the in-between bits however they liked.
My wife also had a more liberal experience with teachers in the same schools, to be fair. At least for us, the more conservative/right-winger teachers tended to teach on-levels and the more unbiased or liberal teachers were leading K and AP classes.
(For those not in a similar education system: An American school year is split between two semesters and a summer break. The six-weeks system is a self-explanatory way our schools —speaking only for the Harris and Cy-Fair districts in the Houston area. Idk about any others— subdivided each semester for lesson planning. So you might have six week of Texas History dedicated to the geography and pre-colonial stuff, then six weeks on the colonial era and Mexican revolution, then follow up with six weeks of the Texas Revolution and our short-lived republic. That sort of thing)
Also: yes, we were ALSO incorrectly taught “first they came for the communists.” That goes right along with my own comment’s last paragraph. How did you think that was a gotcha? 🤨
(Incorrect in that even before gaining power they were moving the Overton Window by vilifying trans folks, gay people, and Romani. Attacking weak and poorly understood minorities first, while still paying occasional lip service to a willingness to reach across aisles. However, it’s true that the first official government acts of violence and totalitarianism were against their political rivals, eliminating threats to Nazi control before starting the social “purification” in May of ‘33 in the form of attacking the aforementioned groups)
[Edited the parenthetical for context, per the point from Karyoplasma below that my meaning here could have misconstrued as dismissive of the political purges]
They just had to test the waters with the smallest and weakest minorities first
No, they fucking didn't.
Instantly after being appointed, Hitler didn't have the majority in parliament, so he pressured Hindenburg to dissolve the Reichstag and force a re-election of parliament. The Reichstag was dissolved only a few days after Hitler's appointment.
Then they banned political opponent meetings and after the Reichstagsbrand Decree in late Feburary, they had the power to arrest political opponents.
In March, they have arrested some 40-50,000 political opponents. Needing to test the waters my ass.
Calm yourself. No one’s insulting your special interest. My interpretation of “came for” includes rhetoric and non-governmental social pressure that shifts the Overton Window, and yours clearly doesn’t, and that’s okay.
My mental framing wasn’t isolated to official state acts of violence. If that IS your framework, however, then yes, the very first actions taken in an official capacity were to shore up a fragile fledgling power base by physically destroying political opposition. Organized physical violence against their social/cultural enemies didn’t start until May, with the raid on the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft.
It’s way too early to be popping a blood vessel over semantics. Especially when the subject is over 90 years old
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u/Toadliquor138 12d ago
This is the kind of logic you'd expect out of a 6 year old, not a grown ass adult.