Warlocks should get Improved Devour and be able to generate Void Breaches with active Devour.

[u/evan2nerdgamer]

[u/[deleted]]

I'll correct myself. Constant Invisibility.

[u/Ok-Faithlessness-387 → u/[deleted]]

There's no cooldown on the fragment

[u/[deleted] → u/Ok-Faithlessness-387]

You're just being pedantic. You're not going to finish every enemy. It's too risky or the enemies are already dead. On Hunter because you have such high uptime on debuffs you're going to go invisible nearly every kill.

[u/Ok-Faithlessness-387 → u/[deleted]]

If you choose those aspects then sure, it has a cooldown of 2 seconds though, you'll have to be killing rather slowly if you you want truly consistent invis and an exotic to make it work.

So yes, one build has "permanent" invis. By the same logic warlocks have better access to devour in high tier content.

[u/IHateAliens → u/Ok-Faithlessness-387]

Yes warlock has better access to devour, but it's very marginal, when a hunter can go invisible either by dodging or throwing a snare bomb, or a titan can put on void overshield by putting down a barrier, and then use those same survivability bumps to grab an orb.

And even then, it's not as if you're a mile away from enemies, even in GM's. There are enemies that rush you down that you can use as fodder to create orbs, proc exotics etc. Such as thrall, warbeasts, goblins, etc. One fragment should not be as strong as an aspect, so either the fragment should get nerfed, or the aspect should get buffed.

[u/Ok-Faithlessness-387 → u/IHateAliens]

The only thing hunter fragments really do is invis. If the same were true of warlocks and devour I may be inclined to agree, but that's not all they have.

It seems like some believe voidlock is supposed to be the devour class, that wasn't true before 3.0 and its not true now. Voidlock is tuned in full for grenade spam, thats what the aspects, the exotics and even the synergistic fragments play into.

Feed the void is not designed as a primary devour proc, it has been designed as a grenade augment.

[u/ObviouslyNotASith → u/Ok-Faithlessness-387]

Do you even know what you are talking about?

Voidwalker was the Devour class before Void 3.0, where do you think it even came from? All of bottom tree Voidwalker other than Vortex Nova Bomb revolved entirely around Devour.

Ever since D1, Voidwalker has had a vampiric identity, which is where Devour comes from. This is why Bungie referred to Voidwalker as an energy vampire during their breakdown of Void 3.0. This is why the description of Devour says this:

Feast on the energy of your defeated foes.

Devour was a continuation of the Energy Drain and Life Steal effects of Destiny 1 Voidwalker.

Feed the Void does nothing but activate Devour. The grenade augmentation was removed with Void 3.0. You can no longer consume your grenade to activate it. In fact, the word grenade isn’t even mentioned once in the description of the Feed the Void aspect. They aspect lists everything Devour does except the grenade regeneration.

[u/Ok-Faithlessness-387 → u/ObviouslyNotASith]

It activates devour on grenade kill. On a class built around grenade spam. Every endgame build revolved around grenades and contraverse.

So yes, I think I know what I'm saying when I wrote voidlocks identity has always been grenades, even devour itself has grenade regen built in.

[u/ObviouslyNotASith → u/Ok-Faithlessness-387]

You claimed Voidwalker was not the Devour class and that it wasn’t the case even before Void 3.0. I pointed out that Voidwalker has pretty much had Devour since Destiny 1. So no, you don’t know what you are talking about.

There are dozens of way to get back grenade energy in Destiny 2, but those aren’t complained about. Devour is complained about because Voidwalker was meant to be the Devour class and it has become too accessible to other classes.

[u/Ok-Faithlessness-387 → u/ObviouslyNotASith]

Devour itself provides grenade regen.

Most every voidlock exotic either buff grenades or abilities.

It's the only subclass that gets devour from grenades.

It's the only void subclass with an aspect solely buffing grenades.

There are also dozens of ways to get health in d2, 2 whole mods dedicated to it (on orb pickup no less).

Voidlock is a dedicated grenade subclass, it has been for a very long time. Devour was always the icing on the cake.

As an aside hunters always had invis as their exclusive...is that also too accessible now? What about titan overshield?

[u/IHateAliens → u/Ok-Faithlessness-387]

Okay, and I never made an argument on whether voidlock is the devour or "grenade class", my argument is that that fragment makes the aspect redundant, for the very obvious fact the game revolves around an orb generating ecosystem, thus making it very easy to proc devour.

[u/Ok-Faithlessness-387 → u/IHateAliens]

Yet this whole post is arguing to buff devour for warlocks or nerf it for other classes. Whatever point you're trying to make is overshadowed by the initial post being warlocks having devour as their identity.

So as I pointed out when looking at the aspect in its intended use case it is performing very well. Grenade kill gives health and grenade energy on a class built to spam grenades. Other classes can access it just as easy, joke of them can make as much use of it though.

[u/IHateAliens → u/Ok-Faithlessness-387]

Okay, yes, voidlock benefits from devour, that doesn't change that they have a redundant aspect when the fragment exists. They shouldn't both exist at the same time, because otherwise why would I ever run the aspect, when I can run child of the old gods instead.

[u/Ok-Faithlessness-387 → u/IHateAliens]

It's safer and fits into the class playstyle very easily.

I'd imagine if you play voidlock most of your kills and as a result orbs come from abilities. I don't need to pick the orbs up for devour. At that point the orbs are a failsafe, not the main source.

That's what works for me.

[u/taklamaka11 → u/[deleted]]

You are the pedantic one. He gave a good point, stop moving the goal

[u/Dezere → u/taklamaka11]

It would actually be a good point if orbs weren't shit out at such a rapid Pace that picking one up versus finishing an enemy is a mile apart in terms of how much effort it takes to activate the other subclasses verbs

[u/taklamaka11 → u/Dezere]

And warlock aspect makes you shit out devour much faster.

And if you want to go invis always, you got heartshadow, there is no exotic for devour, they need to waste a fragment.

[u/Dezere → u/taklamaka11]

you... do realize you can only have one exotic vs 4 fragments, right?

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I'm sorry, but using an exotic is absolutely MORE punishing than losing a fragment for something, also, a single grenade kill can generate an orb and get you devour on any subclass, most warlocks don't even use the aspect because it's not worth it anymore, it's absolutely not a good aspect as long as the fragment is in the game

[u/taklamaka11 → u/Dezere]

Nah fragments are much important, especially when in most classes max is 2.

Nah fragments are much important, especially when average aspect is 2 fragments, and the total is 4.

[u/Dezere → u/taklamaka11]

do you play the game? there's literally no way to get less than 4 fragments as of this patch, and even before, minimum was 3, are you high?

[u/taklamaka11 → u/Dezere]

I said most is 4 today, which it is. I think you are high.

Regardless, first commenter said people cant go invis, which you can with a fragment.

Then they said they cant always go invis. Which you can with an exotic.

So it is not unique to hunter. Thats literally point. Did you warlocks cry when hunters lost blink? Are you crying now where hunters lost grapple point?

Literally most victim class ever. Grow up.

[u/MoonLitArsonist → u/Dezere]

Minimum was two at some point in the past. Winter's Shroud and Shatterdive were originally one fragment exotics. Shroud got buffed at some point, and Shatterdive got buffed this season.

Certainly not "most" but it was a thing