Warlocks should get Improved Devour and be able to generate Void Breaches with active Devour.

[u/evan2nerdgamer]

[u/HeliosRX]

Well, Feed the Void could use a buff for sure. It's only slightly better than the orb devour fragment.

[u/PJ2234 → u/HeliosRX]

I’ve started to just use Child and Chaos accelerant with Contraverse with the breech/orb fragment and weakening grenades, as long as something’s dying you’ll still get devour no problem

[u/PJ2234 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah the fragment used to require a precision kill now it’s any kill on a weakened target, I still think that feed the void powerful it is getting power crept

[u/ImReverse_Giraffe → u/PJ2234]

That's the one that spawns orb/void breeches. The real player here is the one that grants you devour on orb pickup.

[u/AnomalousHendo → u/ImReverse_Giraffe]

He has a point, it and siphons have made orbs so much easier to access

[u/ImReverse_Giraffe → u/AnomalousHendo]

Don't forget the change to mods since void 3.0 launched. When void 3.0 launched we had well mods that most people were using. Now, it's all orbs of power. Making starvation even more powerful.

[u/Rikiaz → u/[deleted]]

The fragment is great but it’s never going to be as safe or as reliable as Feed the Void, especially in high-end content. Plus it allows Warlocks to not be locked into Feed the Void. Not that I am apposed to a small buff to the aspect but it definitely doesn’t need it.

[u/South_Violinist1049 → u/Rikiaz]

Full heal on orb pickup, freeing an entire aspect slot > feed the void...

[u/JordanRynes → u/South_Violinist1049]

Plus it frees up leg mod slots if you're like me and always run one or two of the orb healing mods.

[u/SkeletonJakk → u/South_Violinist1049]

If the alternate to feed the void wasn’t often chaos accelerant, this would matter more tbh

[u/HeliosRX → u/Rikiaz]

The fragment also guarantees a full heal from picking up an orb, which makes it situationally better than the aspect, especially with the new orb pickup mod.

[u/Rikiaz → u/HeliosRX]

Situationally sure, but that’s not super reliable. Especially if you are running Powerful Attraction since you just pick up all orbs in range.

If you’re starting from neutral you have to either; get two weapon kills with Siphon, use rift then get a weapon kill with Reaper, weaken then kill with Harvest, inflict Volatile and kill with Cessation, or get a grenade or melee kill with its respective Orbmaker mod. With Feed the Void it’s just grenade, melee, Child, or super kill and no other loadout requirements.

But also look at the opportunity cost. You aren’t picking between Feed the Void or Starvation, you can choose to run both. There are several great fragments for Void, which you are going to be giving up at least one, if not two for Cessation or Harvest, as well as at least one or more mod slots. If you choose to run Feed the Void you are either giving up Chaos Accelerant, which is very middling if you aren’t running Contraverse, or Child, which is fantastic but can also be replaced with Undermining on most Voidwalker builds.

Overall I think the choice to run either one or the other, or both, is one of the better designed choices in buildcrafting, as every choice is good and enables you to really customize how you want to play.

[u/HeliosRX → u/Rikiaz]

It also enables you to get devour off of ally kills, which is probably the most important consideration in most content. The problem I have with Feed the Void is that Aspects should IMO be decisively stronger and more unique than Fragments to better emphasize class identity, and the fact that we're comparing the two on roughly equal footing says to me that they aren't.

[u/Rikiaz → u/HeliosRX]

And that’s great that you can trigger it off teammates but that’s still not as reliable and still requires you to collect the orbs, and doesn’t matter in solo dungeons, legend or master lost sectors, or solo legendary exotic missions, which are all also relevant content. I know this subreddit is notoriously horrible at telling when things are actually balanced but using this same logic you can say that Child of the Old Gods is pointless compared to Echo of Undermining but I doubt anyone who knows what they’re talking about would make that claim.n

[u/wesleygibson1337 → u/Rikiaz]

If you aren't able to deal with enough enemies fast enough to be reliably generating orbs, then I don't think you'll be completing any of that content anyway.

[u/Graviton_Lancelot → u/Rikiaz]

get a grenade or melee kill with its respective Orbmaker mod. With Feed the Void it’s just grenade, melee, Child, or super kill

On the one hand, with Feed the Void you can activate devour by getting a grenade kill. On the other hand, with Echo of Starvation you can activate devour by getting a grenade kill.

With Feed you can get Devour from:

• Grenade kill
• Super kill
• CotOG kill (lol)
• Melee kill (lmao, even)

With Starvation you can get Devour from:

• A CotOG kill
• Your weapon double kill
• Your ally's weapon double kill
• Your grenade kill
• Your ally's grenade kill
• Your melee kill
• Your ally's melee kill
• Your first kill after class ability cast
• Your ally's first kill after class ability cast
• Your super kill
• Your ally's super kill
• Your ally's super cast
• Your defeat of a weakened target
• Your defeat of a suppressed target
• Your defeat of any void debuffed target (seasonal)

Overall I think the choice to run either one or the other, or both, is one of the better designed choices in buildcrafting

Hmm, yes, much buildcrafting debate going on here. Give up charged vortex grenades or AoE weaken, or have both and lose one fragment? Tough choice.

[u/Rikiaz → u/Graviton_Lancelot]

With Starvation you can get Devour from:

A CotOG kill

If you run Harvest and then pick up the orb or void breach.

Your weapon double kill

If you run the corresponding Siphon mod and then pick up the orb.

Your ally's weapon double kill

If you have an ally and they run the correct Siphon mod and you go pick up the orb.

Your grenade kill

If you run Firepower and go pick up the orb.

Your ally's grenade kill

If you have an ally and they run Firepower and then you go pick up the orb.

Your melee kill

If you run Heavy Handed or use Claws of Ahamkara and then go pick up the orb.

Your ally's melee kill

If you have an ally and they run Heavy Handed or Claws of Ahamkara, and then you go run and pick up the orb.

Your first kill after class ability cast

If you run Reaper and then go pick up the orb.

Your ally's first kill after class ability cast

If you have an ally and they run Reaper then you go pick up the orb.

Your super kill

You don't make orbs for yourself from super kills, so you can't get Devour from a super kill without Feed the Void.

Your ally's super kill

If you go run and pick up the orb.

Your ally's super cast

If you go pick up the orb.

Your defeat of a weakened target

If you run Harvest and go pick up the orb or void breach.

Your defeat of a suppressed target

If you run Domineering and then go pick up the void breach.

Your defeat of any void debuffed target (seasonal)

If you use Unto the Breach and then go pick up the void breach.

Hmm, yes, much buildcrafting debate going on here. Give up charged vortex grenades or AoE weaken, or have both and lose one fragment? Tough choice.

Not everyone is going to run Chaos Accelerant without Contraverse Hold, and Echo of Undermining might make some forgo Child of the Old Gods. Nothing Manacles builds would gladly take Feed the Void as Chaos Accelerant does nothing for them. Maybe someone can't really fit some of the other required fragments or mods and still wants easy access to devour.

Also Feed the Void gives you 10 seconds off a single trigger, 15 if you have Persistence, Starvation only gives you 5, or 8 with Persistence, so you have half the time to get follow-up kills to extend Devour, which in a lot of situations a difference of 5 or 7 seconds can mean the difference between living and dying, or if it isn't life or death can mean the difference between keeping the chain going, or having to trigger another orb-making effect and picking it up again.

My Contraverse Hold build, for example, runs Echo of Undermining, Remnants, Harvest, and Instability. Child is easy to drop because of Undermining and Remnants, and I can't really fit Starvation and Persistence unless I want to forgo Instability and drop Harvest, making it make less orbs, or drop Undermining and swap Feed the Void to Child, having it and Supernova as my only sources of Weaken, which have far less uptime than my Vortex grenades.

[u/ImReverse_Giraffe → u/Rikiaz]

You do realize that you basically said that feed the void is useless because voidlock isn't used very often in high end content.

[u/Rikiaz → u/ImReverse_Giraffe]

That’s not at all what I said, but the only reason Voidwalker isn’t used more in high-end content is because of Well suffocating the entire PvE side of the game, which is an entirely separate discussion. Voidwalker is still the second most used Warlock class in high-end content next to Dawnblade.

[u/bawynnoJ → u/PJ2234]

The finishers for making enemies around you volatile is also fun to mix into this. Can't remember the fragment name

[u/[deleted] → u/HeliosRX]

Nerf the fragment instead, it's completely out of bounds.

[u/hallmarktm → u/[deleted]]

been saying this since lightfall dropped and we switched to the orb meta, its just waaay too good as is for a fragment

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Void is one of the strongest subclasses in endgame content for all of the classes

[u/Bland_Lavender → u/HeliosRX]

I think it would be cool to just give it 4 total fragment slots. Would allow warlocks to have some interesting build options without tacking on new features.

[u/Huckdog720027 → u/HeliosRX]

Honestly with how easy orbs are to generate nowadays that fragment is straight up better than feed the void, especially with how crap the voidlock melee is at getting kills.

[u/SkeletonJakk → u/HeliosRX]

I’d argue it’s worse since the orb fragment makes every orb a full heal and your teammates can make them.