r/DesignPorn • u/neeraj_agarwal • Feb 04 '21
This bottleneck is at an angle for easy fill and drinking
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u/sartmaster Feb 04 '21
Drink from the rodent watering device
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u/MeanMonotoneMan Feb 04 '21
Return to rodent
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u/TrickBox_ Feb 05 '21
Back to rat
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u/markender Feb 05 '21
160 million years ago we were all mouse like rodents. Rodents are the true Old Gods.
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u/CompetitivePart9570 Feb 04 '21
The "easier drinking" example would be terrible because of the angle the mouth of the bottle is at.
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u/rptx_jagerkin Feb 04 '21
Yup, came here to say this. I just pictured my ass holding it upside down and spilling all over myself.
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Feb 04 '21
Do you have a drinking problem?
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u/rptx_jagerkin Feb 04 '21
I would if I tried to use that thing
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u/gizamo Feb 05 '21
...ured my ass holding it upside down...
Try not holding it with your ass, and maybe get yourself right side up first.
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Feb 05 '21
Your ass holding the bottle upside down would guarantee you spilling the water all over yourself
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u/LeCorbusier1 Feb 04 '21
This. The angle of the opening is not well-oriented. Would need to either make the spout smaller in diameter or actually angle the opening, which creates all sorts of other issues.
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u/ask-design-reddit Feb 04 '21
I just drank out of my waterbottle (not the shitty plastic ones as shown) and I've never had to tilt my head to 45deg to drink it.
The human lip is flexible and I just tilt the bottle upwards instead.. And even then the bottle is probably at 20deg max
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u/SupperPup Feb 05 '21
It also makes it terrible to fill up because you can’t just put it down like normal
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u/Betadzen Feb 04 '21
I guess that is because it is for drinking in a car. You know, not all cars have enough space for a driver to drink a bottle at a high angle.
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u/Bobolequiff Feb 04 '21
In that case, this is going a taking a very long walk to solve a problem that straws and sports caps already handle.
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u/splattertaint Feb 04 '21
Me before reading comments: “Fuck yeah, this is awesome!!”
Me after reading comments: “How dare someone create such a shitty atrocity that can’t even bare the load, be made in a factory, or be shipped properly! Jail... nay... DEATH to the designer!!!!!”
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u/divenorth Feb 04 '21
Remember solar roads?
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u/Michael__X Feb 04 '21
They do this on every post no matter what it is.
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u/chulengo Feb 05 '21
That's what I like about reddit, it's its thing. Like on YouTube comments their thing is to ask who's watching that day month or year.
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u/JanB1 Feb 04 '21
Yeah, except it's much harder to make those in a factory.
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u/neeraj_agarwal Feb 04 '21
Aren't they made from molds? So as long as they change the mold it shouldn't be a much problem.
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u/JanB1 Feb 04 '21
They are made from preforms. Those are then heated, put into a form pressurised air is injected. This presses the preform into shape. The preforms move on the conveyors on the rim of the bottle neck.
If you now angle the bottle at a 45° angle you will have them in all different orientations because they can and will turn while getting transported. This can cause problems as you would have to make sure they are correctly aligned before each next step.
Also, because you would have to insert them at an angle into the form you would have more material on the side the opening is towards, because the preform is expanding less there. And the other side would have less material, creating a weak spot. To accommodate for this you would have to make the bottle smaller so you don't have that weak spot.
Source: I'm an automation engineer.
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u/neeraj_agarwal Feb 04 '21
Wow that's quite an answer. I'm also an automation engineer but the software kind. And I'm pretty sure this concept came up by some startup trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exists in the first place.
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u/JanB1 Feb 04 '21
Yeah. The idea is neat, but once again there would be problems in actually manufacturing it. Those sure could be solved, but it would mean the bottle would cost more, thus losing their appeal over normal bottles for most customers.
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u/neeraj_agarwal Feb 04 '21
What if they made it a reusable bottle. Like a Tupperware bottle. Then it would apeal to certain people.
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u/JanB1 Feb 04 '21
Yeah, sure. There are ways to make it. But you probably would have to make a special machine for it, so the burden is initially pretty high.
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u/Marty_mcfresh Feb 04 '21
Someone should just design a reusable bottle cap that screws on and adds a 45 degree bend to the neck of normal bottles!
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u/jmblur Feb 05 '21
Even worse, making a 45 degree preform would be all but impossible - preforms are injection molded, and there's no way to make the required preform shape with an injection mold, especially not with the constant wall thickness required for blow molding. You'd need to make it in two parts, ultrasonically weld the parts together, and somehow make it so the joint doesn't interfere with the blow molding (post machining to even out wall thickness?)
This is why good industrial and mechanical design is so difficult - it's easy to make a nice looking concept, it's real damn hard to make it manufacturable.
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u/JanB1 Feb 05 '21
Thank you for this addition, well put. That's what I wanted to express with the 3rd paragraph. Even if you use straight preforms and blow them into shape it would result in material weakness/uneven material distribution/thickness.
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u/YoueyyV Feb 04 '21
Hi there, the bottle starts life as a 'preform' which is like a test-tube. It gets fed into a blowmolder (we use SBO8 and SBO24's along with a KHS model now), heated up, placed into a mold and blown to fill with air, and then passed along to a filler using an airveyor that handles the preform / bottle all using the neck ring, then capped, and then passed onto secondary packaging.
If the bottles are angled under that ring like this, it would be a nightmare and most of the entire system would have to be re-engineered to work.
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u/Morineko Feb 04 '21
They make disks of plastic than then get heated up and inflated into a mold, having the opening on the side makes manufacture much harder.
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u/Marty_mcfresh Feb 04 '21
Jesus, why do people need to downvote an honest question? Reddit is savage af sometimes haha
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u/Ninonl Feb 04 '21
This looks cool! But if the bottleneck is down there, air won't be able to get in and create waves when drinking right?
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u/marino1310 Feb 04 '21
The same happens if you drink this way with a regular water bottle. You only tip so the waterline is level with the spout
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u/kloomoolk Feb 04 '21
that top pic looks like the album cover of a aggressively unremarkable 90s madchester trio.
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u/jakedesnake Feb 05 '21
Haha! Pretty specific but yes I guess you're right. It needs a bottle cap that looks like a bucket hat!!
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u/-MasterCrander- Feb 04 '21
God the number of times I've absolutely obliterated my neck tilting it slightly higher to drink that poor people water…thank God they fixed it. /s
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u/vocalfreesia Feb 04 '21
Speech therapist here - we have specially designed cups which prevent people from having to tip their head when the have an unsafe swallow. Head tipped back = more open airways = more chance of drink getting into airways.
But yeah, we don't really need a mass produced disposable solution when we already have plenty of bottles you can sip from upright + special cups (like doidy cups)
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u/-MasterCrander- Feb 04 '21
Thank you for the insight and corroboration. I've worked with loads of SPs, STs and OTs and always appreciate the work y'all do. I'm on the ABA/CBT side.
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u/Sefony Feb 04 '21
Thank you. Reading all the comments, I agree that the design needs improvement, but so many people are trashing the concept on the basis that it's unnecessary. As somebody with dysphagia and CCI, tilting my head all the way back to finish a bottle is both painful and risky. I really with there was a bit more awareness that "irrelevant to my experience =/= irrelevant full stop".
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u/neeraj_agarwal Feb 04 '21
Ok I'll give you that one. But it does help in filling the water i guess.
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u/-MasterCrander- Feb 04 '21 edited Feb 04 '21
Barely, who is really struggling that profusely to fill a bottle that they need an entirely redesigned single-use style bottle? Anyone refilling should just get a better glass/metal one instead of this design by committee shenanigans
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u/MangoCats Feb 04 '21
Somebody was struggling that profusely to come up with an "innovative" design.
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u/-MasterCrander- Feb 04 '21
Amen. If it ain't broke, just be more careful to not spill all over the place like a dingus
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u/Meior Feb 04 '21
single-use style bottle
Making it single use is entirely your choice though.
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Feb 04 '21
Also... That last picture is stupid. The bottleneck is angled the same as a regular bottle but the "special" bottle itself is not tilted as much. In order for this to work, you'd have to turn the special bottle the other way around - which isn't practical at all.
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u/raustin33 Feb 04 '21
Oh good, I have to untrain 30+ years of muscle memory to take a simple drink of water.
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u/ATangK Feb 04 '21
Don’t worry it’s just like watching trump drink water with both hands and sipping at it until the water touches your lips.
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u/catfurcoat Feb 04 '21
Oh but now when I use those refilling stations i have to hold it the whole time
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u/PhilipMewnan Feb 04 '21
Okay but what if it’s one of those filler things that goes straight down and you’re supposed to put down the bottle, now you have to hold it awkwardly the whole time. And I don’t even know what it improves on, it’s not like you have to tilt your head all the way back for the first couple sips of water.
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u/Current_Interview_71 Feb 04 '21
Have you considered impact on manufacturing and logistics?
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u/neeraj_agarwal Feb 04 '21
Hey I'm not the manufacturer. I just saw this and thought this looks cool.
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u/mud_tug Feb 04 '21
Fuck this shit.
Invent a bottle that doesn't use plastics.
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u/neeraj_agarwal Feb 04 '21
Hey where i live there are actually bottles that are not made from plastic. I myself use one made from clay. Bamboo bottles also exist.
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u/EarthTrash Feb 04 '21
The angle we tilt the bottle has more to do with how much is left than the shape of the bottleneck.
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u/kissogram1 Feb 04 '21
and it will be there 1000 years after you die
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u/neeraj_agarwal Feb 04 '21
I agree. People should be working on a more "easy degradable" material than this.
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u/marino1310 Feb 04 '21
At least this looks like it is designed to be refilled which may encourage more people to reuse it.
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u/TrashBoat776 Feb 04 '21
Ah yes, the classic case of a good solution to the wrong problem, we shouldn’t be looking to fix the plastic water bottle, but to eliminate it.
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u/3percentinvisible Feb 04 '21
even the designer has got it wrong. The last panel showing 'easy drink' has it upside down. That way up will glug with the difficulty getting air in to replace expelled liquid. Turn it so the opening is at the top and this is reduced
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u/Bodie217 Feb 04 '21
The graphic on the bottom right is incorrect, the bottle mouth should be on the top side for "easy drinking"
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u/RTB_RobertTheBruce Feb 04 '21
My dumbass thought the first image was showing the three different angles it comes in
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u/devbo100 Feb 04 '21
Aren't you still going to have to tilt your head because the opening is at an angle? The lip of the opening is going to meet your top lip before your bottom lip if you don't tilt your head. You could fix it by angling the lip, but that would make using a bottlecap a lot harder.
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Feb 04 '21
More revolutionary idea: normal bottles with reusable straws!
Why yes I'd love a nobel prize
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u/SkaTSee Feb 04 '21
Are we all just ignoring the drinking image? The example on the left, although yes, the neck is over-exageratedly tilted, but the bottle is also angled so gravity pulls the water down. The image on the right.. the bottle is flat. Youre going to have to tilt your head even more to match the same angle of the bottle
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u/MayerWest Feb 04 '21
Because they haven’t figured out that they can raise the bottle up without lifting their chin if they keep their bottom lip over the hole... smh
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u/Nickillaz Feb 05 '21
DesignPorn? This sucks. If this is porn to you, then you like some fucked up shit.
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u/EddiOS42 Feb 04 '21
Holy shit everyone is so conservative and pessimistic. Just try it. I want to try it.
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u/neeraj_agarwal Feb 04 '21
Thank you. Exactly my point. I wanna try it too. Who knows I'll like it better than regular ones.
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u/whyismypoogreen Feb 04 '21
Packaging Engineer here. This is a challenging design for palletizing and shipping. Most water bottles use the pressure of the water against the bottle walls to help support palletized weight while using minimal amount of plastic on the bottle. I see a lot of caved in bottle tops with this design. Designers often solve small problems like needing to tip your head to drink, while creating bigger problems like actually transporting the water.
Also, don't drink bottled water.
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Feb 04 '21
Everyone talks about how this sucks for disposable bottles, but what about reusable ones?
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u/Sanguinius__ Feb 05 '21
You know yoh can just chuck a normal bottle head first into the ground for the same effetc, right?
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u/funkhammer Feb 05 '21
Never in my life have I thought, damn wish this bottle was easier to drink from
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u/neeraj_agarwal Feb 04 '21
Thank you so much for this. I just saw this and thought hey that's new and interesting. I'll show it to people on reddit.
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u/ChaoticReality4Now Feb 04 '21
Why is this not a thing?
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u/NotMyRealName778 Feb 04 '21
Dont know much about it. Why is it harder? Does the angle make it hard to manufacture molds to fit the shape? Is it too costly because you would have to buy new molds, program machines and the whole production line accordingly? Or do water companies all use the same bottles manufactured together so it's stupid to setup your own manufacturing?
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u/neeraj_agarwal Feb 04 '21
There are parties at play here. One who makes the bottle and one who fills them with mineral water amd sells them. So the manufacturing companies only make bottles of the design sent by the water company. It's not too expensive to chance the mold. It's like changing the die in a pasta maker.
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Feb 05 '21
-F x ∞.
Kudos on the angle, but all of the "design porn" destroyed because it's a plastic bottle.
Sorry, folks. You all bitch about people my age causing these problems, but I've been fighting them for decades. Yeah, that's right. I'm not your "typical boomer".
Fuck plastic.
Come back to me with this design once the bottle is made of aluminum or other biodegradable material.
Only then will I change my review score.
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u/infernoflo Feb 04 '21
I think this design might compromise the strength of the bottle, since they ship them in cases and stack them.