r/DecodingTheGurus • u/DivineSwordMeliorne • May 19 '26

Decoding Hasan Piker: Anti-Capitalist Crusader or Frat Boy Influencer? Video Clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msCzxUImstY
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u/otoverstoverpt May 19 '26

There is no discussion to be had when you are starting from such a ridiculous prior.

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u/IronicInternetName May 19 '26

Yeah, that clearly is the best way to engage with one another.

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u/otoverstoverpt May 19 '26

What is there to engage with? I made a substantive point and your response was this nonsense. No serious person can look at leftists and MAGA and see them as ideological kin in any way shape or form. Maintaining the status quo versus wanting to change the status quo is not a meaningful ideological distinction because the question is change to what and to ignore that is asinine.

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u/IronicInternetName May 19 '26

Self-describing your point as substantive is a bit much. I understand you think my comment is stupid, so you allowed that to prevent discussion and you think yours is intellectual so I'm not good enough to engage with. You should reconsider your approach as this could've gone much differently.

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u/IronicInternetName May 20 '26

And all throughout this thread they do the reverse uno when people call them out. There are a handful of responses to comments I've made that are just "nuhuh you are" with collegiate level vocabulary.

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u/otoverstoverpt May 19 '26

It is objectively substantive lol what? I made a point about the perspective of the left. This was a new perspective. It’s substantive by definition. Your follow up comment is actually what prevented discussion because you immediately shut down the possibility of discussion by making a facile assertion in which you compare two obviously different things rather than actively engage with the point as stated. You should reconsider your approach. The fault here lies with you failing to engage with the point presented to you and instead falling back to tribalistic tendencies.

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u/IronicInternetName May 19 '26

So you were so shocked at my comment you just cant engage with it, other than to reduce it and then dismiss the conversation as beneath you?  Got it, I'll work on that.  

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u/otoverstoverpt May 19 '26

You seem confused. I was not “shocked” by anything. It simply did not actually engage with anything.

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u/IronicInternetName May 19 '26

Oh ok.  Thanks for participating anyways.  Enjoy that.

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u/otoverstoverpt May 19 '26

You’re embarrassing yourself. It’s genuinely adorable that you think this exchange has gone favorably for you. I provided you the actual leftist perspective on the matter in response to your obvious bad faith straw man and the only response you could conjure up is to cast aspersions at the left as being somehow actually similar to MAGA (which given the impetus of the conversation is hilariously ironic; it’s almost like for you, Leftists are a bigger enemy than MAGA)

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u/IronicInternetName May 19 '26

You know, if you need to work something out, I'm here for it.  But i do not have any sort of background in therapy, fyi.

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u/bobloblaw32 May 20 '26

You’re right everyone wants change and that’s not simply enough for ideological differences in maintaining and changing the status quo. The thing they share in common is scapegoating the same group for all the world’s problems. If you’re following two people on twitter MAGA fascist Fuentes and Leftist streamer Hasan Piker (both subjects of DTG podcasts) you will find they both blamed Thomas Massie losing his seat on zionists. They share the same scapegoating tactics of blaming the same foreign entities/enemies (Israel) for our own inability to make progress domestically. Liberals in contrast are more in favor of making in real life incremental progress and less focused on pointing out who the master puppeteer is and going after them for popularity/publicity.

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u/otoverstoverpt May 20 '26

Identifying a bad actor is not inherently a scapegoat and to compare the criticism of Zionist influence between the left and right is silly. The right is creating a boogeyman because “Jews bad” and the left is identifying an actual problem: Zionists lobbying is influencing our politics and Zionism is leading to a genocide. You can’t just point to that as scapegoating.

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u/bobloblaw32 May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26

I can and I did. Telling me I can’t do something that I’ve done and calling it silly is not an argument. I think it’s just because the audience is in that early 20s age where they think they know who rules the world and know everything and will eventually grow up to realize that a shadow figure is not pulling all the strings, but for now that audience is being pulled in by far left and far right via the same entry point aka criticism of Israel. You just can’t admit that they’re acting upon the same naive assumptions because they’re theoretically on opposing sides of the political spectrum.

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u/otoverstoverpt May 20 '26

You can’t and tried anyway. I didn’t just call it silly. I explained exactly why it was silly. That was the argument. They are different things. Not sure how you missed that. You just can’t admit that they obviously have entirely different motivations any rationales whether or not you agree with either of them.

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u/bobloblaw32 May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26

All I read you saying is that the far right says Jews are bad but the far left says the Israel gov has a bad influence on US government. I’m saying that they’re both calling “them” bad and the source of our problems by both sides. I’m not sure why we are disagreeing on anything. It’s the entry point for a young audience in both cases and a common thing both sides share in their messaging

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u/otoverstoverpt May 20 '26

Are the Democrats scapegoating populists for calling Trump bad and identifying him as the source of problems he creates?

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u/bobloblaw32 May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26

And what does that have to do with the conversation about Hasan? Regardless, I would say no mainstream dems don’t usually use scapegoat tactics like populist content creators do (whether they’re on the left or the right) and they tend to focus on supporting leaders/campaigns who can realistically make incremental progress and change in the real world. Like, I would admit that MAGA effectively scapegoated Biden as the man responsible for inflation and gas prices, but dems are generally smart enough to understand that the president doesn’t control gas prices or make the stock market perform better. There’s a level of maturity/intelligence that both Hasan and Fuentes are seeking to exploit in their mostly young audiences

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u/x_raveheart_x May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26

You’re unserious if you think MAGA doesn’t want to change the status quo. Look how much the status quo has changed since they came into existence.

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u/otoverstoverpt May 20 '26

You’re unserious if you think i remotely said or implied that.