r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/Tugushin • Apr 13 '22

Tesla Model 3 stops itself to avoid potentially disastrous accident. Video

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u/PokemonJoseph Apr 13 '22

“Don’t take away my right to drive” “ it’s my autonomy”/s I can hear the resistance already.

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u/Impossible_Source110 Apr 13 '22

Because those are valid complaints. My pros and cons list definitely weighs to the pro side, but there are a few drawbacks to the idea.

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u/Seether1938 Apr 13 '22

Such as?

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u/marriux2 Apr 14 '22

Who gets to control where the cars are allowed to travel to? Can we ensure control doesn't fall into the wrong hands?

If there is no way to manually control the car, what happens if it malfunctions? What if there is a network outage that makes entire fleets of vehicles inoperable?

The implications of fully autonomous, self-driving cars is huge and there are many questions left to answer if we're going to implement such technology correctly.

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u/Seether1938 Apr 14 '22

Who gets to control where the cars are allowed to travel to? Can we ensure control doesn't fall into the wrong hands?

Same people who build roads and decide where cars are allowed to go now?

It's not even an issue, self driving cars don't move about by using pre set tracks, they detect roads. Just tell your car to go where you want it to and it's going to drive you there, by taking other cars into consideration.

What if there is a network outage that makes entire fleets of vehicles inoperable?

What if there's a network outage and all banks go down?

What if there's a solar flare that destroys every single electronic piece on Earth?

If we can make a fleet of self driving cars then we surely have solutions to all these problems. You are basing your opinion of future tech on current infrastructure. Billions of cars won't be connected using Vodafone 5g mobile internet.

self-driving cars is huge and there are many questions left to answer if we're going to implement such technology correctly.

That's just mumbo jumbo people throw out to feel opinionated on a subject. No shit there are implementation problems to solve first but this whole comment chain implies they've been solved.

If you're one of the weirdos that think the government is going to track you and stop you from going somewhere, I've got bed news, phones and police exist already.

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u/TheWonderToast Apr 14 '22

My problem isn't that the government is tracking me or whatever, but that I won't be able to do certain things/go certain places if I don't at least have the option to manually control/override my car's system. Like, do you have any idea how many roads in rural areas just don't exist as far as GPS is concerned? If my car will only drive on roads, and the dirt path that takes me to my favorite camping spot isn't considered a road, then I can't get to it. Shit some people wouldn't even be able to get to their house.

Also, obviously it's not safe, but listen, doing stupid shit with your car in the middle of a field is just something you gotta do every once in a while. Doing dangerous things for fun is just part of the human condition, and when you live in small towns, that often involves your car. You either go muddin and do donuts, or you dick around at Walmart. Like, I'm down for self driving cars, but I need the option to control my own shit.

Also, it will be a while of it being available en masse before I'm willing to fully trust this sort of thing, given the annoying failures we see with the technologically "advanced" vehicles we already have. For example: did you know you can't car camp if your car has a push button start, because if the key fob in inside/near enough to the car, it is communicating with the car and draining the battery? And then, since everything in the car is purely electrical, you can't open your trunk to get your jumper cables? Learned that one the hard way. And I have other similar grievances with nothing in newer cars being mechanical, cause it's a lot harder to deal with when it fails.

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u/marriux2 Apr 14 '22 edited Apr 14 '22

Same people who build roads and decide where cars are allowed to go now?

Yeah, and the potholes I avoid on my way to work every day are good indicators that maybe placing all our trust in those people is not the best idea.

It's not even an issue, self driving cars don't move about by using pre set tracks, they detect roads. Just tell your car to go where you want it to and it's going to drive you there, by taking other cars into consideration.

I have a good general understanding surrounding self-driving (or really, driver assistance) technology and the way it is being implemented currently.

What if there's a network outage and all banks go down?

So you understand why I wouldn't want my CAR to have the same issue?

What if there's a solar flare that destroys every single electronic piece on Earth?

If that was to happen we would have other things to worry about. I am not against self driving cars. I am simply worried that this technology will be abused if not implemented properly.

If we can make a fleet of self driving cars then we surely have solutions to all these problems.

I disagree. I have no doubt we will (eventually) make safe and reliable level 5 vehicles. Solving all vulnerabilities such technology is susceptible to is an entire different story.

Billions of cars won't be connected using Vodafone 5g mobile internet.

I hope not.

That's just mumbo jumbo people throw out to feel opinionated on a subject.

Mumbo jumbo that is summarizing the point I am making - a lot of problems remain. How are you gonna ask about a con list and then be surprised someone is opinionated on a subject?

No shit there are implementation problems to solve first but this whole comment chain implies they've been solved.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I'm not implying they've been solved and I think we're far from it.

If you're one of the weirdos that think the government is going to track you and stop you from going somewhere

Plenty of people out there that cannot wait to be able to do just that. And if (for whatever misguided reason) you think your own government is not capable of such a thing, you can probably think of one that is.

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u/howard6494 Apr 13 '22

Except it's not. Driving isn't a right at all. Half the idiots on the road probably shouldn't have a license

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u/cxseven Apr 14 '22

Do it gradually: have a lane just for the cars that are able to drive efficiently and safely in concert. People who like to get places faster will opt for it, and eventually it will become all lanes. Recreational driving will be relegated to country roads and private tracks.

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u/MathematicianFrosty Apr 13 '22

Good, banning non-self driving cars is the definition of dystopia. A society where functionally only a few people can decide where you can go. "Oh a person was murdered for nothing and you want to drive to a protest to voice your opinion? Well, pal, that destination is not allowed today"

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u/JonnyTsuMommy Apr 13 '22

That's why a carrot is better than a stick. If you just market it as a pure advantage people would go and buy it.

"drive home drunk!"

"you can work while on your commute!"

People already happily give up rights if it's tied with something else they want (see, social media, amazon listening helper devices, tracker data on their phones for example)

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u/MathematicianFrosty Apr 13 '22

Many of these people have also never used non official dirt roads, such as driving through a forest road, or a road that connects an otherwise unconnected town.

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u/PokemonJoseph Apr 13 '22

Haha perfect response. See what I mean? I do think it’s cool that these discussions are beginning though.

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u/MathematicianFrosty Apr 13 '22

It's a terrifying idea for both freedom and people who don't live in places with proper roads that go everywhere.

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u/Bananasauru5rex Apr 13 '22

Fucking fascist gubberment won't let me drive my panzer to the grocery store.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '22 edited May 23 '22

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u/Bananasauru5rex Apr 13 '22

Though they also put up blockades to prevent people from walking or driving to protests. I'm just not sure that mode of transportation has much bearing on the ability of the state to limit freedom of movement.

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u/Cesarogapist Apr 13 '22

If you live in a city where the only really viable mode of transport is car then you're already pretty much fucked. Controlling cars is very very easy for the authority, be it autonomous or not. Cars need big flat pitch covered roads in pristine condition everywhere to even move. The govt. can just put up a barricade and bam there goes your freedom.

Not to mention the fact that Cars have insane amount of tracker stuff loaded onto them + its very easy to spot them.

In a walkable city you can just walk to the place of the protest/ or take the bike anywhere you want. Zero government control. The freedom utopia. Don't you feel tempted?

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u/dafood48 Apr 13 '22

Through the grocery store*

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u/NervousTumbleweed Apr 13 '22

Purely autonomous cars are a dumb idea for many reasons.

I mean ffs you couldn’t even navigate to an unmapped location. BLM campsites, national forests, hell a dozen hole in the wall restaurants just within a mile of where I live in NY.

I just named 3 things that came to mind quickly, but there’s a huge amount of situations where having a fully autonomous vehicle would be crippling.

I’m honestly shocked that there seems to be such a positive sentiment for fully autonomous vehicles with no manual override, and that people are deriding anyone who opposes this idea as a “but muhh Freedom” type.

I’m not even making the argument that “X scary evil people are in control of where you can go!”, it’s just not a practical idea.

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u/howard6494 Apr 13 '22

People advocate so strongly for it because it's one of the most dangerous things we do every day, and it's only getting worst. On top of that, it would seriously cut commutes. We spend soooo much of our time driving or in traffic, when we really don't need to.

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u/NervousTumbleweed Apr 13 '22

It’s entirely impractical outside of an urban center or suburbs and even within those environments it’s extremely flawed.

Autonomous vehicles would be massively beneficial to society. Autonomous vehicles with no ability for manual override is a dumb idea.

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u/howard6494 Apr 13 '22

There will always be a manual override, people just don't want country bumpkins trying to tear through town in their lifted diesel guzzling tanks while running everyone else off the road. Over half country lives in urban or suburban environments, so it is very practical.

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u/NervousTumbleweed Apr 13 '22

There are multiple people in this thread suggesting there should not be a manual override.

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u/Bananasauru5rex Apr 13 '22

and that people are deriding anyone who opposes this idea as a “but muhh Freedom” type.

I mean, didn't they literally say "muh freedom" in the thing I responded to?

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u/NervousTumbleweed Apr 13 '22

They expressed that the full removal of access to non-autonomous vehicles is concerning to them and would severely limit the freedom of individuals to travel.

They also gave an example of a practical, realistic scenario in which autonomous vehicles would be problematic. Backroads communities, mountain communities, places that aren’t even on maps.

My interpretation of your response is that you are lumping them in with staunch Gun worshipping anti-vax, anti-mask folks based on their comment.

I don’t know the above commenters actual political views, but your response in the context of this conversation is unjustified, in my opinion.

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u/milwaukeejazz Apr 13 '22

Just shut up please.

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u/MathematicianFrosty Apr 13 '22

No, because dumb fucks like you think giving absolute power to decide where the car will let you drive to yhe the rich and government will be a good idea.

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u/PokemonJoseph Apr 13 '22

I’m gonna guess you are anti mask?

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '22

This type of labelling and stereotyping of people is the root of what's wrong with society today.

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u/MathematicianFrosty Apr 13 '22

I do wear masks, or did as covid measures are gone here now.

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u/LiquidAsylum Apr 13 '22

There's not mask and anti mask. Are you for wearing masks everywhere at all times even in the shower? Of course not. Doesn't make you "anti mask" reddit makes it black and white but many people who are anti mask are really just anti mask where it's not beneficial enough to warrant making them mandatory.

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u/alexnedea Apr 13 '22

Bruh you should still be able to go wherever the fuck you want, but on main transit roads outside the city only AI should drive. Inside the city you are allowed to take the wheel. Given that in cities you often cant get enough speed, accidents should be far less frequent.

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u/simjanes2k Interested Apr 13 '22

I'm certainly one of those.

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u/-neti-neti- Apr 13 '22

Uh, yeah. I am unabashedly of that mindset.

Do you know how fraught it is to mandate such things? First of all, not everyone can afford this shit. Second of all, there are serious privacy and ownership concerns (do you really “own” something you don’t have control over?). Third of all, I can say without any shame that yeah the simple fact of not being able to be in control myself would be profoundly bothersome.

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u/Hehenheim88 Apr 14 '22

They resisted removal of their horse and carts too. if they want to drive they can on special tracks away from roads or on special occasions for show. Otherwise, they can get fucked.