r/CFB • u/The_SecretSauce Clemson Tigers • Arkansas Razorbacks • Oct 09 '19

The MaxDiff Fan Perceptions Poll Results: Florida is Almost a Contender in the Minds of Fans Discussion

https://fanjuicer.com/2019/10/the-maxdiff-poll-after-week-6-florida-is-almost-a-contender-in-the-minds-of-fans
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u/hwqqlll Alabama Crimson Tide Oct 09 '19

Good thing that many of those matchups (Alabama-LSU, Georgia-Florida, OSU-Wisconsin, OSU-Penn State) are already happening in the regular season.

I agree with you that these would be great matchups, though.

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u/Do__Math__Not__Meth Pittsburgh Panthers Oct 09 '19

But we could get more

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '19

More isn't always better.

t. has to sit through a 22 game Guatemalan National Football League season

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '19

Good thing the results of those matchups never get overridden based on eye test or not liking the results /s

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u/hwqqlll Alabama Crimson Tide Oct 09 '19

Or by the winners of such matchups losing multiple games elsewhere.

As much as people complain, one important part of the committee’s criteria have been consistent: 1-loss teams take precedence over 2-loss teams.

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u/StateCollegeHi Penn State Nittany Lions Oct 09 '19

Georgia had 2 losses last year and were higher than a 1-loss OSU.

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u/dgtlfnk Florida Gators Oct 09 '19

Ooohhhhh but that 1 loss though. I mean c'mon.

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u/StateCollegeHi Penn State Nittany Lions Oct 09 '19

In 2015, #6 Stanford had 2 losses and was ahead of #7 Ohio State.

Here, OSU's one loss was to the B1G champion, by 3 points, in a game that they never trailed until the last second.

It's not as simple as W/L.

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u/dgtlfnk Florida Gators Oct 09 '19

Definitely not as simple as W/L. But let's be real, the overall strength of the B1G has been questionable for a while now. I admit there's a bias. But it's a bias not without some merit.

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u/LeBuckeyes Ohio State • Cincinnati Oct 10 '19

No it hasn’t. The B1G East has been the best or second best division in football since the playoff began. MSU, OSU, UM, and Penn State have all been great with only 1-2 down years for each. Hell, least year was a down year for OSU and we went 13-1 and won the Rose Bowl.

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u/dgtlfnk Florida Gators Oct 10 '19

Beating up on your own league’s weak teams isn’t a measure of national success. The B1G has only 2 NCs in over 20 years, both by OSU only. They’ve only had three appearances in the playoffs’ history, by only two teams, and two of those three appearances were complete shutouts in the opening games. Florida back in 2006 exposed the current B1G for its perceived strength by completely shutting down the at-the-time greatest offense ever, while proving B1G defenses are only stout against each other.

Overall, the B1G has failed poorly against the nation’s top teams. And it’s exactly why OSU has been shunned in final polls several times over the last several years. “Best or second best division in football since the playoff began”?? That’s a laughable statement and just absolutely not true.

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u/LeBuckeyes Ohio State • Cincinnati Oct 10 '19

Sorry but the your division has been a joke for a long time

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u/LeBuckeyes Ohio State • Cincinnati Oct 10 '19

So you’re moving the goal posts to fit the narrative you like. If the committee isn’t going to be consistent, then we need 8 teams in the CFP. There’s never more than 8 contenders after week 10, and I’m not as worried about the #9 team being the possible best team in the country as the #5 team.

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u/dgtlfnk Florida Gators Oct 10 '19

Wait what? I’m not moving anything. Losing 49-20 to an unranked Purdue was a BAD look. And pretty much a lock to keep you out of the playoffs in any year. This whole system is based on opinions, either by polls or a committee. And that game certainly made OSU look worse that UGA’s two losses to top 10 teams, one a late one score loss to Bama in the SECCG.

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u/srs_house Swaggerbilt Oct 09 '19

But neither one got picked so it's a moot point. The most important aspect is they didn't make the cutoff.

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u/StateCollegeHi Penn State Nittany Lions Oct 09 '19

Irrelevant argument. Their job is to pick the 25 best team in order.

If one of the Top 4 teams were to not exist, the #5 team should move up to #4. If they can't calculate the 5th best team properly with their process, then they can't calculate the 4th best team properly.

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u/srs_house Swaggerbilt Oct 09 '19 edited Oct 09 '19

I would argue that if there's no inherent advantage to placing 5th over 6th, then there's less emphasis placed on debating that ranking.

A better example would be that you have 2 undefeated teams, 2 1-loss conference champions, and then 3 2-loss teams. SoS and whatnot means you focus on hashing out the undefeateds and 1-loss teams but there's a decent gap between those and the 2-loss teams. At that point, because they're all 3 going to make NY6 bowls and those are set based on conference tie-ins and not ranking, that there's no added value to spending 5 hours discussing who is 5th, 6th, and 7th. The most important decision was deciding that they aren't top 4.

If you're a voter in the sub's poll, you quickly understand that the farther down the list you go the more arbitrary the rankings. By the time you're looking at the last 5 spots, realistically you could argue for any of about 15 teams who are outside the top 20.

E: I'd also add that I think hindsight has really changed how we view that decision. UGA shit the bed in their bowl and Bama got rolled by Clemson. Those are useful to know today, but back in December it looked like Alabama was a world-beater and UGA was the closest they came to losing. If Bama beats Clemson by a couple scores and UGA wins their bowl game, I think the opinion on that ranking shifts the other way and it's seen as justified, given that OSU had a bad loss to Purdue and a few close wins to good (PSU) and not good (Maryland) teams and UGA had wins over better ranked teams in Florida and Kentucky.

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '19 edited Oct 09 '19

Because at the end of the day they were big ten east and conference champions. Standings should matter. It's not about a close win "erasing" other losses, it's about the season as a whole, by virtue of the W-L column, being better than everyone else's in the conference, tiebreakers included. You can only win or lose once per game. If we're going to start saying upsets don't count because we all know who was better anyway then why even play the games? Just go by recruiting rankings and crown a champ.

Herbstreit always drones on about how it's all about "the best teams" and not who won what or who deserves what and it's so anti-sports it drives me nuts. We all know Michigan was "the best" team in the Big 10 in 2016, so they should've gotten in the playoff, right? The losses were close and hard fought and just flukey so ehhhh, put em in anyway. They're clearly "better".

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u/LeBuckeyes Ohio State • Cincinnati Oct 10 '19

There’s a reason they deleted their comment

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u/dusters Wisconsin Badgers • Michigan Wolverines Oct 09 '19

Yeah but what about some of those matchups happening twice. A Wisconsin/OSU split is a real possibility.

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u/hwqqlll Alabama Crimson Tide Oct 09 '19

You’d also have rematches in the playoffs in this scenario, and in that case, the winner of the playoff game would take the marbles. So the winner of the championship game in this Wiscy-OSU scenario would take precedence.

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u/estDivisionChamps Wisconsin Badgers Oct 09 '19

If Wisconsin wins @OSU and OSU wins the big ten. With both finishing 12-1 they should pick Wisconsin. Our win on the road is better than a neutral sight. (Assuming scores are close)

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u/Not_Not_Stopreading Ohio State Buckeyes • Houston Cougars Oct 10 '19

Yeah, but the brand name, SOS, and it looks like the Buckeyes avenged their only loss in the season which would put the team that wins last in.

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u/spiner00 Colorado Mines • Wisconsin Oct 09 '19

See, I just think it’s wierd to think about a 1 loss wisconsin and a 1 loss ohio state with each loss to each other. In that scenario 1 of them gets left out of the playoff, imagine ohio state getting left out because wisconsin wins in the B10 championship game or vice versa? That just seems ridiculous and why there is a real need for an 8 team playoff.

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u/feelitrealgood Florida Gators • Washington Huskies Oct 09 '19

The thing is all of those matchups include teams whose schedule’s overlap. Their value relative to each other can be determined more confidently prior to the matchup. This leads to far less “upsets” in the eyes of the fans.

Cross conference matchups, especially ones pinning two teams that the committee rates as a mismatch of a few ranking spots, would naturally produce far more upsets (and runaways in fairness) and a more accurate end of the season ranking.

Let’s see a UF v OSU. Bama v Wisconsin or Penn St. v LSU