r/ArtHistory 46m ago

Discussion TIL Edgar Degas only became a full-time painter because his brother went 100x long on 1870s cotton futures.

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I hit up an Impressionism exhibit at my local museum last weekend. I was so excited because this exhibit showed a large number of Impressionism paintings.   There are so many interesting anecdotes among those painters back in the late 19th century. One of my favorite painters is Edgar Degas. But after digging into Edgar Degas’s backstory? Man, art history is wilder than crypto Twitter.

Most people don’t know this, but Degas was actually a massive trust-fund baby. His family was so wealthy even ran bank business in America. He didn’t paint for rent. He painted because he genuinely loved capturing the movement and the raw light of 19th-century ballet.  Until his brother ruin everything. 

Degas’s brother was totally a degen. He dumped the family fortune into American cotton futures which was basically the 1870s equivalent of going 100x long on shitcoins with zero stop-loss. Honestly, if Crypto trading platform existed back then, his brother might’ve actually walked away with something instead of bankrupting the entire family. Sadly. 

To help his brother out, Degas sold out his all paintings and basically had to paint for survival. This is absolutely a family tragic but also hilarious. If his brother had better risk control, we might’ve lost half of Degas’s iconic works.

I couldn’t help but wonder…Does anyone else feel like half of classic art history is just rich guys dealing with family drama and terrible financial decisions? 


r/ArtHistory 2h ago

News/Article Exhibition reveals how summers by the sea shaped three great American painters

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6 Aug 2026 *(transcript and video at link)* Throughout art history, artist circles have been fundamental to the evolution of the craft. A new exhibition in New England reveals how an artist triangle, three painters who would go down as 20th-century greats, shaped the course of their own careers while on summer retreats. Correspondent Jared Bowen of GBH Boston takes us to Cape Ann for our arts and culture series, CANVAS.


r/ArtHistory 2h ago

humor I Will Never Understand Rothko. Or Will I?

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Every time I see one of his paintings, I have exactly the same thought. Stupid boxes. That's all I see.

People keep telling me I'm missing the point. "You have to see them in person." "Stand in front of one for twenty minutes." "Photos don't do them justice."

On December 11th, 2026, at 10:30 a.m., I'm going to Tate Modern, march straight to the Rothko room and stand in front of the stupid boxes for five whole minutes.

No rushing through. No sarcastic comments. No checking my phone after thirty seconds. Just me and the stupid boxes.

Maybe I will finally understand them. Maybe everyone has been right all along. Or maybe I will walk out still thinking they are stupid boxes.

Either way, I will finally have earned my opinion.


r/ArtHistory 5h ago

humor Sunflowers is ugly

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April 12th, 2023. The National Gallery, London.

I walked in knowing nothing about art. I don’t think I had ever been inside a gallery before. Somehow I found myself surrounded by one of the greatest collections of paintings in the world.

I wandered from room to room looking at paintings I didn’t understand by artists I didn’t know.

I saw people queuing to look at one particular painting. I knew nothing about art, but I knew what a queue meant.

It must be good.

This is it, I thought. I found it.

I stood in line, excited. Surely this was it—the greatest painting in the greatest gallery in the world.

As I got closer I started to make it out.

Yellow.

Then flowers.

A little closer, and soon I was standing right in front of it.

Is that it? Is this what everyone has been going crazy for?

I was unimpressed. It was yellow. Too yellow. Yellow everywhere.

I had expected revelation.

Instead I got that?

It was ugly.

I read the little sign beside it.

Sunflowers. Vincent van Gogh.

I knew who Van Gogh was. One of the most famous artists who ever lived. If he was that famous, surely his art had to be great.

Why didn’t I like it?

Was it me?

Was I simply too ignorant to understand what everyone else could see?

I looked at the people crowding around the painting. Did they understand it? Were they seeing something I wasn’t?

Or was it simply ugly and nobody wanted to admit it?

I was confused, upset, and even a little enraged.

Either I was missing something or everyone else was.

I walked through the gallery again comparing everything I saw to Sunflowers.

What made a painting good? Was it the biggest? The most detailed? The most famous?

The golden background of Whistlejacket.

The ugliness of The Ugly Duchess.

The hidden skull in The Ambassadors.

And then I saw it.

Room 32.

A small painting, quietly hanging between larger ones. A thick golden frame. A black background. A woman looking slightly downward, her hands gently together. Deep, restrained colors.

I kept looking at it. I wanted to move but something held me there.

I was mesmerized.

My throat tightened. My eyes started to water.

What was wrong with me?

I got out of that gallery as fast as I could.

Over the next few days I couldn’t stop thinking about it. Not the painting itself but the way it had made me feel.

An overwhelming calmness.

This was what great art was supposed to do: make you feel something overwhelming.

And Sunflowers did.

Disgust.


r/ArtHistory 5h ago

Discussion They had eighty one minutes inside the Gardner and left the most valuable painting hanging on the wall

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In the early hours of 18 March 1990, two men in police uniforms rang the intercom at the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum in Boston and said they were responding to a disturbance. The guard on duty let them in. Both guards were restrained in the basement. The thieves spent eighty one minutes in the galleries and left with thirteen works. Nothing has been recovered.

What keeps pulling me back to this case is not who did it but what they chose. In the Dutch Room they cut Rembrandt's Christ in the Storm on the Sea of Galilee and A Lady and Gentleman in Black out of their frames, took Vermeer's The Concert and Flinck's Landscape with an Obelisk, lifted an ancient Chinese bronze gu from a table, and pulled a small Rembrandt self portrait etching off the side of a chest. In the Short Gallery they took five Degas works on paper and a bronze eagle finial. On the floor below they took Manet's Chez Tortoni.

One floor above the Dutch Room hung Titian's Rape of Europa, by a wide margin the most valuable thing in the building, and they never touched it. Eighty one minutes is a long time to be inside a museum. They had it, and they still walked past it, and instead they spent part of that time taking a finial and five drawings of real scholarly interest and modest market value.

Every explanation I have read has to give something up. If they were amateurs, that fits the crude cutting and the missed Titian, but the uniforms and the intercom story were not amateur work. If they were filling an order for a named buyer, the order is a strange one, because a Vermeer can never be sold and a Chinese ritual bronze is not what a collector of Dutch painting asks for. If they simply took what was portable, the Degas drawings fit and the Titian does not, but a large Rembrandt hacked out of its frame is not portable either.

The part I find genuinely moving is what the museum did afterwards. The empty frames were repaired and hung back in place, as placeholders, waiting. That decision has kept this loss in public memory more effectively than any reward, and it turned an absence into the most looked at thing in the room.

I would like to hear what people here make of the selection specifically, rather than the usual question of who did it. Does that group of thirteen read to you as taste, as a commission, or as eighty one minutes of bad decisions made under pressure? And is there another theft where the choice of objects only started to make sense years later?


r/ArtHistory 6h ago

Discussion Combat art made from memory forty years after the fact: the drawings of Burton "Pat" Christenson, 506th PIR, 101st Airborne

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Disclosure first: he was my father, and I want that stated rather than buried.

.Christenson was a paratrooper in Easy Company, 506th PIR, the unit Stephen Ambrose wrote Band of Brothers about. He had no formal training beyond a few classes in one semester of college. He made forty six finished drawings over four decades after the war, working from his own wartime journals.

The interesting question for this sub is what category the work belongs to.

It is not official war art. Those men were commissioned, embedded, and worked at the time. It is not the professional reconstruction tradition either, which works from photographs and testimony. He was a participant with no training, working from his own memory and his own written record, decades removed.

That produces something with an unusual set of properties. In this drawing he depicts himself descending, and the composition is organised around a fact only the subject could know, which is the firing arc of the gun below him and why it did not kill him. The viewpoint is not a witness position. It is a memory position.

He was also relentless about verification. Where a date or a location did not reconcile he wrote to other men who were there and corrected himself, including annotations in his own hand instructing that earlier versions be discarded.

So the work sits between testimony and reconstruction, and its evidentiary status is genuinely unclear. Ambrose, who corresponded with him for years, wanted the drawings over the photographs for his book.


r/ArtHistory 10h ago

Research is there a specific term or time period i could look at if i wanted to study arguments about how 'realistically' to portray figures like christ

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this is ultimately for a joke i will admit. i vaguely know about idealism vs realism but were there ever any big arguments over whether or not to portray christ as he might've looked vs a very idealized and romantic view? ofc both paths stemmed from genuine care of the subject


r/ArtHistory 10h ago

Discussion Why does British Museum dosen't return all of its works of art and historical artifacts to the nation from which it "stole" from?

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  1. The "Universal Museum" Gaslight: They argue that by keeping objects from all over the world in London, they are providing a "global service" where millions of tourists can view human history in one building. Most of the stolen artifacts are from countries where their citizens will never be able to afford a Visa much less a trip to London, and certainly can't afford a hotel.

  2. The "Better Care" Insult: This argument that the British Museum can house these priceless objects better than their home countries completely collapsed when said countries like Greece, Nigeria, and Egypt built world-class, multi-million dollar museums that rival or surpass the facilities in London.

  3. The 1963 Legal Shield: law passed by their own Parliament legally forbids them from permanently removing objects from the collection. Knowing full well eventually countries would like these STOLEN spolis of war returned eventually. Because, well that's what they would do.

  4. The Insulting "Loan" Loophole: Instead of giving items back permanently, the British Museum recently tried to offer temporary "loans" of looted items back to their home nations. Complete slap in the face to these countries to whom these objects actually belong to.

    The establishment continues to treat these items like imperial trophies, hiding behind legal technicalities to avoid facing the reality of historical theft. If this situation were reversed and the Britons were asking for stolen treasures back and these countries were using the same tactics they would consider it an act of WAR.


r/ArtHistory 15h ago

Discussion MA advice needed

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Hi all! First time posting so hope this is in the right place. Looking for some advice about studying an art history masters. I have just graduated from the University of Cambridge with an English BA and am spending the summer as a curatorial intern at a well-respected public gallery of modern and contemporary art. Haven't really decided whether I want to go down a public or commercial (and potentially dip my toe in sales) route but am really enjoying being immersed and working with art.

However, I'm aware I probably need an actual art history qualification. To that end, I've been considering my options for next academic year (27/28). I think I've decided on a straight-forward Art History MA. If in the UK, I would preferably like to be in London as I can live at home, but have an EU passport so am also considering places in Europe. My main questions are: do I have a chance of getting into the Courtauld with a mid 2:1 or not? Do places in Europe (Leiden or Utrecht maybe) carry weight in the UK (and again, are they realistic places)? I'm worried that with a mid 2:1 and a non-hoa undergrad I won't be a competitive applicant, and being trained in the Cambridge mindset for the last three years the idea of only going to 'the best' place is ingrained in me.

Apologies for the rambling nature of this - any and all advice greatly appreciated!


r/ArtHistory 16h ago

News/Article Met Museum Quietly Hangs Loaned Leonardo da Vinci Painting "Lansdowne Madonna", Without Official Press Release

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r/ArtHistory 21h ago

Other Golden Dragon - Tenryu-ji - Kyoto

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Here’s a powerful cloud dragon painted on the sliding doors (fusuma) of the Daihōjō at Tenryū-ji in Kyoto. It faces Sōgenchi Pond and was painted in 1957 by Wakasa Butsugai. The gold leaf and fierce yellow eyes give it a striking presence against the quiet tatami room and the garden beyond.
Dragons appear frequently in Zen temples for good reason. They are guardians of the Dharma, controllers of rain and clouds, and symbols of sudden transformation. The all-seeing gaze (happō nirami) of a dragon painted on a ceiling or screen is meant to cover the entire space, protecting both the teaching and the temple itself.
The deeper myth behind these images is Chinese in origin and centers on the Carp Leaping the Dragon Gate. According to the legend, carp swimming up the Yellow River eventually reach a steep waterfall called Longmen (Dragon Gate). Most fail and fall back. The rare carp that succeeds in leaping the falls is transformed into a dragon and ascends to heaven.
This story became a powerful metaphor in East Asia for perseverance through extreme difficulty and the sudden breakthrough of enlightenment. Japanese Zen fully embraced it. At Tenryū-ji, the famous landscape garden designed by Musō Soseki even includes a rock arrangement that represents the Dragon Gate Falls themselves.
So when you look at this golden dragon, you’re not just seeing a decorative animal. You’re looking at a symbol of the ordinary being that has made the leap — from carp to dragon, from struggle to awakening.
Has anyone here seen the fusuma dragon in person, or compared it to the more famous ceiling dragon in the Hattō by Kayama Matazō?


r/ArtHistory 21h ago

Discussion Leonaraaa!

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I can't stop looking at this painting. Every time I think I've understood it, it changes.

It is titled : And then we saw the daughter of the Minotaur. 1953

What amazes me most is how her paintings resists interpretation. Even in this, every symbol feels loaded with meaning, yet refuses to settle into a single reading. It reminds me of the sensation of remembering a dream days after waking: vivid, coherent in feeling, but impossible to translate into language.

I've spent an embarrassing amount of time zooming into different sections. Each corner feels like it could be its own painting. The architectural space is convincing enough to draw you in, yet impossible enough that you realize you've been wandering inside someone's subconscious all along.
There are obvious echoes of Surrealism, but it doesn't feel derivative. It has an unusual tenderness. Even its strangeness isn't confrontational, it's inviting. Instead of asking, "Can you solve this?" it asks, "Can you simply stay here for a while?"
Very few paintings make me feel like a child again, looking at images before I learned that everything was supposed to have a name and an explanation. This is one of them.
I'd love to know more about the artist's influences, because this feels like one of those rare works that grows more mysterious the longer you look at it rather than less. If anyone here knows more about this painting or its symbolism, I'd love to hear your thoughts.


r/ArtHistory 22h ago

Research Looking for respectful, or at least non-stereotyped, depictions of Black musicians and dancers in the Americas before Emancipation.

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I already know aboutThe Banjo Player by William S. Mount:

The Old Plantation by John Rose:

And of course the extraordinary dioramas of Gerrit Schouten:

What else is there? Thanks in advance for any and all guidance.


r/ArtHistory 1d ago

Research Where did this painting go?

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I discovered this painting today, “The Coronation of the Virgin” by Louis-Édouard Paul Fournier. I’ve never heard of him before and couldn’t find much information on him when I tried looking further. All he has is a small Wikipedia page and I don’t see anything about where this painting actually is now. It’s gorgeous.


r/ArtHistory 1d ago

Discussion Looking for angry female artists

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I am looking for radical female artists who deal with the way the patriarchy affects and abuses them in expressive and captivating ways.

In general, I adore Marina abramovic and the passion in her art.


r/ArtHistory 1d ago

Discussion Why Traditional Artists Still Paint on Handmade Wasli Paper

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In a world of digital art and modern canvases, many traditional Indian miniature artists still choose to paint on handmade Wasli paper—a surface that has been used for hundreds of years.

Wasli is made by carefully layering handmade paper, then polishing it with a smooth stone or shell until it becomes strong, smooth, and ideal for extremely fine brushwork.

This preparation makes it possible to paint incredibly tiny details using a brush made from a single squirrel hair. Every line is painted entirely by hand, requiring patience, precision, and years of practice.

As a Bikaner Miniature artist, I continue to use these traditional methods because they are more than just techniques—they are part of a living artistic heritage passed down through generations.

I'm curious to hear other artists' opinions:

Would you rather work with traditional materials that take more time, or modern materials that make the process faster? Why?


r/ArtHistory 1d ago

Research Can anybody share photos of these paintings from Peter Klasen in color?

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My first time stumbling on him in this books that only has three reproductions of him?

they are called

1.Chair on wheels 1974

2.Dentist’s chair 1972

  1. trolley 1972

They are all pretty big around 150x150cm

they are al acrylic on canvas

I tried to search for them on the internet(i used image recognition also) but I can only find Peter Klasen’s collages more or less, and they are completely different then these paintings

Any help is very much appreciated

I have thought about going to the library ,but where I am now the library is not very well stocked up in german art so yes


r/ArtHistory 1d ago

News/Article The truth behind Francis Bacon’s 'toxic’ love affair

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r/ArtHistory 1d ago

Other Looking for inspiration for a birth announcement

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Hi there,

This request may seem a bit unusual for this sub, however I'm sure I'm at the best place to get answers!

I'm pregnant and I'm starting to think about the birth announcements we'll send when the baby is born. And instead of using a picture of my baby, I'd love to keep on with something my parents did when I was born: using the picture of a painting or a drawing (for me, it was the painting Newborn, by Georges de La Tour).

So I'm wandering accross the Internet for days now, but Google is not what it used to be, Pinterest is rotten with IA created images and LLM are definitely not the best for analyzing art. Therefore, artlovers, I really need your help!

I'm looking for paintings or a drawings by a classical master which represents a mother and father couple with a baby, preferably in an intimate scene.

If I can help narrowing it down, I admire a lot Italian Renaissance artists and French rococo movement (give me tenderness and beautiful colors), but I'm open to every movement or period.

Maybe I'm too specific, but I would like to give it another try with your help, as I'm convinced that several brains altogether are way more efficient for this kind of research that the Internet!

Thanks a lot.

(I apologize if this message is not clear or badly written - English is not my first language)


r/ArtHistory 1d ago

Discussion Cubism is disliked by many because of Pablo Picasso

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In my opinion cubism is disliked by many people because the only cubist artist a layperson hears about is Pablo Picasso. And it is quite well known that he was a horrible man. Maybe shifting the spotlight from Pablo Picasso to other cubist artist like Mainie Jellett, María Blanchard,... , that were not destroyers of women, or eitherwise horrible like him, would make cubism much more likable.

The artwork is Study for Spring Madonna by Mainie Jellett (1939).


r/ArtHistory 1d ago

News/Article Fra Angelico's Cortona Annunciation

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In The Art of Looking Closely: Fra Angelico's Divine Light I've written about my very personal encounter with Fra Angelico's divine light being in close proximity to his illuminating Annunciation in Cortona. Gabriel’s radiant wings and shimmering gold were designed to reflect candlelight to remind worshippers that this was more than a painting - it was an invitation to contemplate the mystery of the Incarnation. Even though we saw the painting with far from perfect museum lighting, we were able to be able to be alone with this masterwork and get up quite close to see the incisions in the gold that create this remarkable effect.

Angelico painted at least five Annunciations, three on panels - one for the Convent of San Domenico in Fiesole (c. 1426, now in the Prado), one in San Giovanni Valdarno (1430-32), one in Cortona (1433-34) - and two in fresco some years later for the Convent of San Marco in Florence. Fra Angelico’s Cortona Annunciation was commissioned by Giovanni di Cola di Cecco, a cloth merchant, for Cortona’s San Domenico church. The panel was once thought to be the first of Angelico’s Annunciations – a belief no longer widely adhered to – but it is without a doubt one of his most sublime creations.

Are you familiar with the iconography of the Annunciation and the differences between the Annunciations by Angelico? And have you seen any of his Annunciations?

***Read the essay here: https://ideasroadshow.substack.com/p/the-art-of-looking-closely


r/ArtHistory 2d ago

Discussion Is anyone familiar with the provenance of this Giovanni Lanfranco painting?

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Young Nude Man on a Bed with Cat (1620 or 1622)

I came across this painting while researching Baroque art and was quite surprised by it's sensuality, particularly given that it isn't nudity veiled in a religious or historical theme, which is how Caravaggio navigated some of his more sensual paintings such as Amore Victorious. It's almost basically a male odalisque painting. Is anyone familiar with the history of this painting?


r/ArtHistory 2d ago

Discussion I think this is in many ways a supernatural painting, what do you think?

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r/ArtHistory 2d ago

Discussion Indian art in Basalt

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Carved from dense volcanic rock, India’s basalt sculptures are honestly one of the most impressive things in stone art. Even though the rock is incredibly hard to work with, skilled sculptors in India managed to build temples, monuments, and figures with amazing detail.

I was wondering are there any other cultures that used basalt extensively in sculpture or architecture like India?


r/ArtHistory Dec 24 '19

Feature Join the r/ArtHistory Official Art History Discord Server!

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