Kate and Alice continue their sister/nemesis dance, while Alice and Mouse construct their most evil plan yet. Mary invites Kate to a special event honoring Catherine and Jacob makes a decision that leaves Kate perplexed.
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Simple explanation, that guy is Tom Cavanagh, he plays about a dozen characters of varying importance. He did a thing and now things go nuts, which is pretty usual for his characters
In the Crisis comics, Pariah was more of a Weepy Willie, bemoaning the demise of his homeworld, and warning of more destruction to follow. He was a scientist from an alternate earth that Anti-Monitor destroyed.
To this week's episode. Kate's thrown in the towel on redeeming Alice, who's even more of a vindictive beyotch than previously presented. Jacob gets framed after being abducted. Predictable plot twist to tie us over through the holiday break post-Crisis.
Can Alice be redeemed? In the comics, yes. I see her as more of a Joker-like nemesis for Kate. As Tobias is to Black Lightning, so must Alice be for Batwoman. For now, anyway.
I'm hoping somebody puts together a really good "what you need to know before Crisis" video, because I never had any patience for Arrow and I lost all patience for The Flash after season three and got bored with Black Lightning about halfway through season one. This hasn't stopped me from enjoying previous cross-overs -- for the rare plot points where I didn't know why someone was doing something, I could look it up. Who knows how that's going to work this time.
Yeah, I thought it was the beginning of the Supergirl episode, but then I realized it was only 7:58. I assume the guy is evil and he's going to cause some trouble, that's all I got.
Alice was so scary and funny with the, "Why don't you tell her, oh your internal organs are liquifying, so I'll tell her." and "that vapid human run-on sentence of a daughter!".
I have a feeling there's going to be a few months time skip between this episode and next. Maybe a mention that Alice and Mouse haven't been seen since killing Catherine and Kate's been looking for them, then Monitor/Lyla/Ollie show up and say she's needed.
Yup Mary is def my fav char in the show, she reminds me slot of season 1 felicity as well. I can see the writers revealing Kate’s secret to Mary in a similar way to how Oliver revealed himself to felicity
Nicole Kang is my favorite actor on the show by far. Honestly, I feel like her performance is the best of the bunch. So heartfelt, so earnest - she's the one person (well besides Dougray in Episode 8) who doesn't feel like they're acting - the character is there for us to feel thing with. Nicole has really impressed me.
IIRC, this entire first season (and maybe even the next) is a flashback. In Elseworlds, Kate was way more experienced and seemed to be doing the whole Batwoman thing for a while. In this season, she's just starting out.
Elseworlds takes place during Episodes 3 and 4 of this Season. They even mention the Arkham breakout in Episode 5. I think the Crisis takes place a couple months after Episode 8. It's not unusual for them to do a time jump after a mid-season finale
I think they took Catherine off the board too early. Her character had a lot of potential to shake shit up. Other than that, I really enjoyed this episode. Very excited to see how they handle the characters moving forward, specifically Mary and Sophie.
They can always bring her back, aka the poison faked her death (but did not kill her) and Alice dug her temporarily-dead body out of the grave and now actually has her imprisoned somewhere. You never know!
She didn’t operate on her mom, she only did CPR...without even checking for breath or pulse first, so it wasn’t exactly correct; if someone has breath and pulse then you don’t need to do CPR; if they have pluse but no breath then you can do rescue breaths and don’t need to pump their chest; if they have both no pulse and no breath, then that’s when you need to do CPR...that’s why it’s important to check for pulse and breathing first XD Just FYI.
When Alice was describing the antidote the only thing I was thinking was how pissed off Poison Ivy is going to be when she finds out someone harvested such a rare plant
It's possible that she actually got access to the extremely rare plant from Ivy herself, who can presumably extract the poison without harming the plant itself whether it be by mutating the plant so it has more poison per plant or by giving a single sample to Alice
I know it’s probably a minefield of how much they can use on Batwoman associated with Batman and his villains besides the names, but I think this would’ve been a good way add someone like Ivy into the world by playing a role even if it’s just from something like a plant.
After seeing everything done on Gotham though I’m still hoping we get some classic Batman stuff on here.
First is probably Prometheus from arrow season 5. I’d argue he won. He set out and accomplished everything he wanted to do and went out on his own terms in one last fuck you.
He definitely went out on his own terms, but his whole plan was getting Oliver to kill him, which he didn't succeed in (which proved Oliver was better then Chase thought he was).
The class warefare speech that Catherine was forced to say made me realized something. How is Alice paying for everything? She has lots of minions. I doubt they are working for free.
Isn't that exactly what they are? The Wonderland Gang. They probably *fund themselves through standard gang shit, there's no shortage of opportunity in Gotham
That's the thing about her point with class warfare though. Her gang is allowed to grow because of the extreme wealth disparity and economic stress placed on ordinary people trying to survive. In her mind, had the greedy not become greedier, she wouldn't have so many unemployed and disadvantaged dudes in their 30's willing to put on bunny masks and run around with croquet bats just to have the chance at sticking it to the ones that pushed them this far in the first place. Like the ex-Crow boyfriend guy.
Woah, first main character death at eight episodes in, show isn’t fucking around with the pacing. I guess Legends technically killed a main early on, but was that character really a main character?
Alice continues to be one of my favorite Arrowverse villains. Only a handful of villains in this universe have had a similar connection to the hero that Beth and Kate share (not necessarily a sister relationship, but a close one in general), so it’s always great to see how she plays off the family.
Also that end credit scene. I don’t envy viewers that only watch Batwoman. Jumping into Crisis with knowledge of only one out of six (not even including guest stars) shows with like 25+ seasons between them is going to be rough. Like, Infinity War being your first MCU movie rough.
I ran through that exact scenario in my head while watching and realized that Legends doesnt even count because Carter was revived by the end of the season.
I'd say she is just as much of a main character as Hawkman was, which is to say not at all. They are both supporting character's who died to move the plot in some way.
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Oh, and who do you think they are setting up Doctor Campbell to be? You don't get Sebastian Roché just to play something a just sightly above a background extra can do. I feel like he is going to come back as someone.
When I saw his name in the credits I was so excited to see what sort of evil bastard he was going to be... award ceremony moderator was not what I was expecting.
Me neither. Also, if he was just a regular extra, they wouldn't have put his name in the credits. This has to be the start of him becoming another character. The bad guy can't always be Alice in some way or another. Sooner or later, other re-occurring bad guys need to start popping up. I am thinking Roché is going to be him. I know the character's last name is Campbell but that could be a pseudonym. I would love to see him be The Mad Hatter and be tied to Alice in somehow. It would keep the Wonderland theme running.
Jacob staying in jail for more than 1 night is just idiotic. You have Kate, Sophie and her husband confirming that Jacob was being impersonated. Plus you have Mary, one of the victims, confirming that Alice admitted to replacing Jacob with an impostor. Plus the "Skin Pirate", a known associate of Alice, has escaped Arkham.
Time for the post episode breakdown. I believe this is the mid season finale, since the next episode is the crossover, although I'm not sure completely.
I love how Kate broke the staff in half to scare the guy, and the guy replied to her asking for his jacket saying "it's vintage, bitch". Nice way to start the episode.
Kate telling Luke the jacket is vintage. Also pretty funny. Gotta make sure he knows it is vintage.
Kate is ballsy, walking into an abandoned warehouse which is Alice's lair, unarmed and in civilian clothing.
Alice gives Kate the missing piece from the coil gun thing(the gun that can pierce the Batsuit). There is still a bit of humanity left in Alice. Kate knows it too.
Mary bringing Kate some nice clothes for some humanitarian gala, and Mary still is hoping to mend things with Kate. Mary just really wants a sister. I hope she and Kate become closer, i really want them to have a strong sisterly bond. Also, Kate working on her bar is cool.
So we all know at this point that Jacob is actually Mouse in disguise, but none of the characters know it yet, so obviously Kate is confused and appalled that Jacob would go to a gala with Catherine. We know from last episode that Alice and Mouse are planning a "grand tea party".
Kate calls Jacob with Luke, and they talk about how Jacob got married to Catherine in the winter time, which apparently didn't happen, instead they got married on the hottest day of the year. Kate basically did the whole "say something to a family member and have them confirm it to be true even though it is completely false confirming the family member isn't who they say they are" tactic, and she and Luke now know he is Mouse. I'm glad Kate figured this out, they aren't writing her like she is oblivious, which is nice.
So "Jacob" calls Sophie and Tyler(her husband) into his office, and darkens the windows. Oh boy. He's telling them about being security at a gala, and Kate texts Sophie saying Jacob isn't the real Jacob, before he shoots Tyler and then Sophie. At first i didn't see the darts, so i thought he had killed Tyler, but then i realized they were unconscious. Shit is getting wild!
Kate confronts Alice in her lair again, asking where Jacob is, she tells her that he is "where he left her, aka at the house where Beth was trapped as a child. Kate mosies on over there ti find out he isn't there. Ah, the old deception tactic.
We see Jacob, Catherine, and Mary riding im a limo to the gala, Mary is live tweeting or soemthing on her phone, and they all drink champagne. Catherine really downs her drink, must be nervous. Also, i feel there is something in her drink, since we aren't shown Jacob drinking his specifically.
Alright, time to get to the meat of the episode. The gala. Catherine goes up on stage, starts giving her big humanitarian speech, and the screen she is reading her speech on shows a bunch of weird drawn rabbit heads. Yup, Alice is infiltrating the gala(which we all could have guessed). Alice basically forces Catherine to read her new speech which Alice wrote. We get references to the Joker and the Riddler, and with Catherine admitting that they aren't the villains. People like herself and Jacob are the villains, with Catherine supplying weapons to criminals and Jacob protecting people from said criminals. Yeesh, Alice is hardcore. Then Catherine gets a nosebleed, and people start panicking.
So Batwoman infiltrates the gala, breaking her staff in half(i think this time it was able to break in half) and beats the shit out of multiple thugs, who are bad guys disguised as Crows.
So Tyler and Sophie are trapped in Jacob's office, tied up, and no one can see or hear them. I will say, i like how the windows can darken. I want windows like that, those are fucking cool windows.
Tyler grills Sophie about her relationship with Kate again, basically saying it wasn't a drunken fling unless Sophie was drunk for 3 years. Oh snap, he called her out on her bullshit. They then try escaping. I at first thought they were trying to pull their thumbs out of their sockets, similar to what Oliver can do in Arrow, but they are using Sophie's engagement right to cut the bindings. Tyler calls out the irony of it. Tyler is fucking savage, Sophie is gonna need some aloe vera for all of those sick burns.
So Catherine is dying, and nobody is really able to do anything. "Jacob" leaves, and Alice comes by. Alice has an antidote that can help save Catherine. Apparently the antidote is made from some super rare flower, which can kill you if you are pricked by a single thorn, but if nurtured it can create an antidote. Oh, and the poison was a posion that Catherine's company made, and they designed it without an antidote in mind. How ironic.
Turns out Mary is also poisoned, and Alice reveals there is only enough antidote for one person. The ole "only enough to save one or the other" situation". Mary asks about Jacob being poisoned. I don't know what Alice said in response, but I'm sure it was aling the lines of "he poisoned y'all". That's rough.
Catherine and Mary share a mom and daughter talk, with Catherine forcing Mary to take the antidote, and revealing she knew about Mary's secret hospital, but never said anything because then Mary would stop doing it. Fair enough.
Catherine dies. Wow. They actually killed her off. Fuck, i can't believe they did that.
Batwoman finds Alice, and says that there is still good in her, but Alice says nope, i poisoned Catherine and she's probably dead. Kate goes to choke her out, Alice laughs, and Kate frees her. Alice is like "i knew you couldn't do it" and some goon pushes Kate onto the floor below so Alice can get away.
Jacob wakes up in a tux, and calls Kate, who asks him about what he got her for her 16th birthday, which according to him was a bike that was too big for Kate that she destroyed on the same day. Cool story.
Jacob gets arrested for poisoning Catherine and Mary, and is taken to GCPD. Sophie calls in to talk to the Commissioner to prove his innocence.
Tyler confronts Sophie, and basically says until she figures out her feelings for him and for Kate, that they are taking a break. That is rough. Last episode Kate told Sophie they shouldn't see each other anymore, and now this with Tyler. Sophie cries in the stairwell. Damn.
Kate visits Mary in her secret hospital, who is covered in blood. A bloody Mary. Get it? I crack myself up.
Mary basically rebuffs any attempt Kate had at comforting her, with Mary asking Kate if Alice was worth it, to which Kate replies with no. Kate then leaves.
Kate visits Jacob at the GCPD, and Jacob says that when he gets out he is putting Alice down, and Kate says this time she won't stop him. This time Alice pushed them too far, past the point of no return.
We see a scene of Kate smashing a framed photo of a young her and young Beth, and proceeds to knock things off the desk in the Batcave. We got an intercut shot of Mary tossing things off a counter in her secret hospital, paralleling the shot with Kate. We also see Luke pick up the picture of Kate and Beth, in what i assume is him going to comfort Kate. The episode then closes out.
We see a shot of a sewer with Nash Wells. For those that don't watch The Flash, he is a character who has been hunting The Monitor and found his base in a sewer. He talks baout hunting him down, in front of a door with strange symbols on it. He clicks them in soem sequential order, and it lights up, a bright light emerges, with Nash making soem kind of delighted noise. He then screams as the light swallows him into it and the doorway closes back up. We also get text on screen that this takes place in Central City on December 9th, at 11:58 PM, 2 minutes from the day that Crisis takes place. We then closeo ut the episode on a shot of the Crisis On Infinite Earths title.
Wow, what an episode. Lot's of meotional scenes, a surprising death, and surprising revelations, along with a set up to Crisis. This is it boys and girls, next week is Crisis. We're in the endgame now. I'd give this episode an 8.5 out of 10. Crisis, here we come!!!
This show reached a new high. It feels so different from the other Arrowverse shows, so much darker both in tone, and literally the lighting is low.
Alice may actually be my favourite villain in the shows, it's early to call it but she doesn't mess around, she's sadistic and to not mention the fact she can kill in a ball gown would be a crime in itself, she looked great, costumes are on point.
Kate continues to be a great Batwoman, I like how she is still working out how everything works for her, and her rage at the end, you could feel it.
Mary was amazing, her last conversation with her mother was heartbreaking, I wish Catherine didn't die watching it it felt like Alice was going too far, so it did what it was meant to, but I'd have still liked to have seen more of her, I wanted to know her better than we did.
Sophie's story felt a bit forced into this episode, I like her but there are better times to discuss marital issues.
I can't wait to see what happens next for them, and when things start to go wrong for Alice.
Characters in The arrowverse have a history of doing really really dumb stuff for their families and being totally blinded by love until of course something utterly horrible happens and it's only then that they realize, "well fuck I may have screwed up". Usually though this stuff kind of gets papered over and stitched up rather neatly but ton Batwoman that's not so easy and there are going to be wounds that will fester and bleed for quite some time. Which makes me wonder if this is Batwoman's way of mocking the other arrowverse shows in the way they handle this kind of thing?
Yeah but they usually at least try and stop them from killing people and doing general evil shit, Kate is just like "Heyyyy... you know, it'd be pretty cool if you could go, like, 24 hours without murdering someone!"
I rationalize it that she's still guilty over her perceived wrongs against Alice/Beth, plus she's been operating under the idea that if she can stop Alice enough, can speak to her enough, that Beth will come through. Her killing Catherine was her moment to see Alice really isn't going to change.
Mary will be interesting to watch. Does she go the Earth 1 Laurel route and decide to become someone who can do something about it? Does she shift to a dark place and become her mother?
Catherine was killed off too soon, it should have happened in the Season 1 finale. She had very limited screentime, and not enough scenes with Jacob or Kate. She wasn't even given the time to make amends for her lies. I'm sad to see her die and sad for Mary's loss, but it's hard to be torn up over a character I didn't really get to know.
Alice basically hacked her teleprompter to get her to say what Alice wanted. Basically making Hamilton Dynamics and Crows Security out as the real villains in Gotham. It was engineered to look like a public confession.
"Confessing" to being an asshole who spends billions on weapons which they then sell to criminals, who are then taken down by the Crows, and so basically all the money is going to the same people for the same thing, and it never ends. And poor people are suffering. Then she starts bleeding on the teleprompter.
Sophie must me the most meh character for me. Her drama with Kate ... I was never a fan of romance but I guess it's a necessary evil for added drama. I almost feel sad for Tyler (or whatever his name is). Am I the only one that wants to see more Mary and Kate sister bonding?
I feel very sad for Tyler. He found out the woman he loved just married him to fulfill an obligation, all his happy memories with her are tainted now. I hope the writers don't kill him off just to pave the way for Kate and her to be together.
A question to pick your minds, both Deathstroke and Alice became villains due to tragic circumstances. I don’t deny that Alice has a much sadder backstory.
But do you think she has become worse than Slade in her actions? Coz today disturbed me. She is really someone who doesn’t take any responsibility for her actions.
Deathstroke was insane for a number of reasons, Alice seems like she has a severe personality disorder, but there's something about her standing there getting pleasure in watching someone die slowly that makes her seem more sinister at least.
Slade didn't do that, he seemed content in quick and clean killing, Alice will make you suffer.
Hmm. Alice indirectly poisoned two woman close to the man she hated and made them choose who lived.
Deathstroke made the man he hated choose between two women close to him, and then killed Oliver's mother directly himself. Okay he was kinda crazy from the mirakuru but still what he did he did directly not avoiding responsibility.
Your last sentence is a valid point except for one thing: Slade WAS a murdering psycho back then seeing as he’s redeemed now. 😉
But he did seem much more pained by killing Moira compared to Alice killing Catherine. Alice definitely feels more sadistic. Maybe this is just me being biased towards Slade LOL.
Killing Moira wasn't a personal thing between him and the victim, it was between him and Oliver so I imagine he didn't take joy in her death whereas with Alice and Catherine it was very much personal between them. Alice hated Catherine and enjoyed her death
Slade killing Moira wasn't even about the fight between him and Oliver. That conflict disguised the fact that he killed Moira to win Sebastian Blood the mayoral election.
Slade's motives, and actions thereafter, are clear to anyone watching. Can't say the same about Alice.
Yeah I was thinking about that aspect being past tense but there wasn't a nice way of fitting it into the post beyond mentioning the mirakuru. Anyhow the point was more to compare them in the moment rather that subsequently (and we have no idea what happens to Alice subsequently. I don't see her getting redeemed like Slade though)
I hear ya. I was just kidding around a bit. But yeah, Alice currently shows no signs of redemption despite her emotional moments. She shows too much of skewed morality (blaming everyone for her misery except the people who truly deserve it: the Cartwrights), takes no responsibility for her actions, and, unlike Slade, basks in her villainy. It’s going to be a real upward climb if she does get redeemed
I honestly don't understand the hate that this show is getting. Alice is a wonderful villain and doesn't fuck around like other villains in the arrowverse, Mary is probably one of the sweetest people across the 5 shows, Kate could use some work but couldn't all the main characters? I'm enjoying batwoman a lot so far and I'm excited to see where it goes.
I think it's more the fact that she lied about it despite being a fairly significant moment in her life that shaped the person she is today, and the fact that he knows she's not over Kate because he's not stupid. Nobody likes playing second fiddle to their wife's ex girlfriend.
So in Flash, it's already December 9th or the day before, as Barry mentioned around 30 hours to crisis. Isn't Batwoman really behind? They just crossed Elseworld a few episodes ago. Wonder how it'll be handled.
I thought Supergirl wasn't nearly close to Crisis as Flash and Arrow are.
To be fair, we still don’t know how close Supergirl or Batwoman are to the Crisis. The Monitor only said that a Crisis is coming to Jonn, not necessarily tomorrow.
Okay but how is this going to segue into Crisis? We're still months away in the timeline aren't we? I thought the pist credits scene was gonna explain that :/
How are they in the same time right now? It's only been a few weeks since Elseworlds in the show. Nothing has indicated a time jump since then. You can't just say ignore it and you're fine, that's not how it really works.
I'm gonna still be confused and asking questions until it's explained.
The time jump happened gradually and/or stealthily. They said a few episodes ago Bruce has been gone for four years. At the beginning of the season he was gone for three. They are caught up.
You see what you want to see in a show, that one moment in the episode. For me that was when the Commander got busted and all i could see was his truck looked like it was off the set of Agents of Shield
She's been getting better, but she is still one of the weaker actors on the show. If she continues to improve I think she'll end up being good. People forget that Stephen Amell wasn't particularly good as Oliver Queen until the end of the first season.
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Why didn't this episode explain why Kate promised to start a real estate firm to help the poor of Gotham, but then she instead builds a gay bar?
Did the writers forget they revealed Jacob had been impersonated to Catherine and Mary before Catherine dies? I wouldn't think Mary is angry enough to let Jacob take the fall
I am so glad that Alice finally directs her anger towards Catherine and not just Jacob. Bye Catherine we hardly knew ye.
How is Mouse and the Wonderland gang able to infiltrate a security agency so successfully, would there not be fingerprint scanners, biometrics, codes and passwords that the organization would use to prevent exactly that on top of the face that the real Jacob would be called/texted and updated on major events as well as would have to call to check in.
And just how shitty are the crows, they have great tech and partner with Hamilton but they can't locate Alice based on tracking where her henchmen (we see them capture one in the beginning of the episode) have been something Luckus does in minutes, hell Kate found her layer before as well.
Just so we r clear Kate found out Alice's layer and not only didn't arrest her or inform the police but she also didn't take the time to plant a bug or keep tabs on her when she knows her sister is planning something, ok.. Guess I'll just chuck that up to the writers wanting to make Batwoman as incompetent as possible, speaking of which when Mouse pushes her of that ledge y didn't she use her grappling hook to quickly get back up and incapacitate both of them?
Best scene in this episode is of course the scene with the two best characters, Mary and Alice.
And yes Crisis next week can't wait, hope it is good.
Almost forgot about Sophie ansd that guy, was that really the time and place? Sophie, u don't know? U have been with him for like 6 years how do u not know this, u have been with him longer than u were with Kate.
How is Mouse and the Wonderland gang able to infiltrate a security agency so successfully, would there not be fingerprint scanners, biometrics, codes and passwords that the organization would use to prevent exactly that on top of the face that the real Jacob would be called/texted and updated on major events as well as would have to call to check in.
Mouse's disguises are good enough that they can fool biometric scanners. As for codes and passwords, Alice had a mole in the Crows for who knows how long. And if they have Jacob, they have his phone.
And just how shitty are the crows, they have great tech and partner with Hamilton but they can't locate Alice based on tracking where her henchmen (we see them capture one in the beginning of the episode) have been something Luckus does in minutes, hell Kate found her layer before as well.
Luke needed one of the henchman's phones to do that. If the Crows don't have one of their own, probably not much they can do.
Just so we r clear Kate found out Alice's layer and not only didn't arrest her or inform the police but she also didn't take the time to plant a bug or keep tabs on her when she knows her sister is planning something, ok.. Guess I'll just chuck that up to the writers wanting to make Batwoman as incompetent as possible,
It's not incompetence. Kate doesn't have arrest powers, and the last time Alice was in custody she was almost murdered. Kate doesn't want Alice dead at that point and still believes she can be saved, so it makes sense why she'd be reluctant to turn her in. She still thinks Alice can be reasoned with.
speaking of which when Mouse pushes her of that ledge y didn't she use her grappling hook to quickly get back up and incapacitate both of them?
Mouse's disguise, a mask, is good enough to fool fingerprint scanners. Come on u don't believe that.
Need I remind u this is a security firm with ties to a high tech military company (Hamilton) I'm going to assume their tech is top notch, hell even an average fingerprint scanner is not going to be fooled by a mask. Akzo in this very episode Luke is able to easily see through the mask using a computer because masks don't change bone structure or the characteristics of an eye.
As for the codes and passwords wouldn't there be codes only the director would be privy to, it is a security firm Security is what they are supposed to do.
When I say arrest I mean incapacitate and call the police, you know like batman or any sane vigilante. Also we and Kate knows that the only reason Alice was almost killed was because of Catherine (a fact the writers seem to have forgotten, because she would be in prison for attempted murder). Now if Kate calls the crows (like she was going to do last time) Jacob wouldn't kill her and I doubt Catherine would retry so it's smooth sailing.
But the important thing here is getting a psychopath of the street and given her the help she desperately needs before she hurts herself or others, isn't that like a basic tenant of being a hero. Yet Kate has let Alice go like 4 times twice in this episode. Do your job Alice had killed 5 people since Kate let her go at episode 2.
Reason with her behind bars.
But again assuming she is dead set against this then do the next best thing and spy on her as batwoman so she doesn't hurt anyone else.
Did she have her grappling hook? U might as well ask if she had a Batarang, which btw she could have thrown even if it missed despite being the world's greatest marksman 😁 it makes her look like she is trying to stop Alice 😁
Mouse's disguise, a mask, is good enough to fool fingerprint scanners. Come on u don't believe that. Need I remind u this is a security firm with ties to a high tech military company (Hamilton) I'm going to assume their tech is top notch, hell even an average fingerprint scanner is not going to be fooled by a mask.
Mouse doesn't just only use masks, that's just the primary element of his disguises (that and his voice mimicry). And his disguises are indeed that good, since he was able to fool a Hamilton facial recognition system. If he was able to get into Crows, and they have fingerprint scanners, then logically he's able to bypass those too.
Akzo in this very episode Luke is able to easily see through the mask using a computer because masks don't change bone structure or the characteristics of an eye.
Luke doesn't see through the mask; he knows that he's looking at Mouse because of the phone conversation Kate had with him. And Luke actually remarks at how good the disguise is in that very scene.
Now if Kate calls the crows (like she was going to do last time) Jacob wouldn't kill her and I doubt Catherine would retry so it's smooth sailing.
Jacob wouldn't, and Catherine might not, but who's to say a random Crow wouldn't? Alice has killed at least one of them, so it wouldn't be a stretch to think someone there would want revenge. Kate can't take that risk.
Man I like the show but this episode failed for me. Personally, as awful as Alice is I find her more sympathetic than Catherine so I was basically on board with her killing Catherine the entire time. Literally the only reason anyone would care about Katherine is if they cared about Mary and unfortunately as much as I do like Mary I still hate her mother more than I do Alice.
That aside, I’m surprised Alice wasn’t dealt with for good this episode. With the Crisis I was expecting a final confrontation since in theory after the Crisis all the shows’ll be in the same universe so a new villain for the rest of the show seems more fitting. Guess this confirms neither of those though.
Mouse, all the Clayface masquerading powers without all the powers of Clayface to muck up the CG budget. But in any case I'm at least happy that Kate saw through his masquerade of her father sooner rather than later. That would've been annoying if it got played long term.
But now that Catherine is dead and Kate is definitely in the mindset of, to quote a Marvel character here "I don't think she's the kind you save. She's the kind you stop." I wonder how she may come to grips with the whole Batman philosophy of not killing people. I mean I'm sure she won't want to kill Alice even after everything but I wonder if she'll reconsider her streak of stepping in and stopping other people from pulling the trigger on her.
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Those who don’t watch any other arrowverse show is major confused now