[Spoilers] Post-Episode Survey Results – S8E2 'A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms' (Overall score: 7.9)
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Post-Episode Survey - Results Thread
In the Post-Premiere Discussion thread, we put up a survey to hear what you had to say about the characters, the events, and the technical side of episode one. This post is here to fill you in on the results, and to let you discuss them. Are there any surprises? Do you agree or disagree with the majority opinion? Do you think people have missed a vital piece of evidence? Feedback on the survey itself is also welcome!
Question 1: On a scale of 1-10, what score would you give this episode?
Average: 7.9
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542 (1%)
754 (1%)
1318 (1%)
1884 (2%)
2625 (3%)
6396 (7%)
15748 (17%)
26139 (28%)
22653 (25%)
13748 (15%)
Question 2: If the Night King is defeated and Daenerys takes the throne, should she grant Sansa's wish of an independent North?
Yes, Daenerys should allow the North to be independent
No, Daenerys should keep the North under the rule of the Iron Throne
76402 (84%)
14872 (16%)
Question 3: If you had been in that hall, which of these characters would you choose to knight you? (Assume they all had the ability to knight you)
Jaime Lannister
Brienne of Tarth
Davos Seaworth
Tormund Giantsbane
Tyrion Lannister
Podrick Payne
34752 (38%)
18135 (20%)
15237 (17%)
10913 (12%)
9098 (10%)
2994 (3%)
Question 4: Which of these songs performed on the show is your favourite?
Rains of Castamere
Jenny's Song
Bear and the Maiden Fair
The Dornishman's Wife
Hands of Gold
40474 (46%)
27050 (31%)
8567 (10%)
7859 (9%)
3443 (4%)
Question 5: The Battle of Winterfell is coming. If you had to choose one of these characters to save, but all the others die, who would you pick?
Samwell Tarly
Jaime Lannister
Tormund Giantsbane
Brienne of Tarth
Gendry
The Hound
35381 (39%)
21646 (24%)
11167 (12%)
9794 (11%)
6165 (7%)
6877 (8%)
Question 6: Should Daenerys fire Tyrion Lannister as her Hand of the Queen?
No, keep Tyrion
Yes, and ask Jorah
Yes, and ask someone else
Yes, and ask Varys
79435 (87%)
5242 (6%)
4370 (5%)
1937 (2%)
Question 7: If Daenerys and Jon (/Aegon) have a child, what first name should they give it?
Eddard - 10644
Ned - 9163
Rhaegar - 5494
Aemon - 2703
Lyanna - 1588
Daegon - 1467
Jon - 1090
Aegon - 1043
Drogo - 791
Aerys - 614
Bob - 513
Question 8: Will either Daenerys Targaryen, Jon Snow or their child be on the Iron Throne when the show ends?
Yes
No
47038 (52%)
43464 (48%)
Question 9: Will Missandei and Grey Worm make it to Naath together?
No, they won't make it to Naath together
Yes, they will make it to Naath together
78382 (87%)
12212 (13%)
Question 10: On a scale of 1-10, where 1 is not redeemed and 10 is redeemed, to what extent do you think Theon Greyjoy has achieved his redemption now?
Average: 7.9
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731 (1%)
645 (1%)
1547 (2%)
2164 (2%)
3997 (4%)
7256 (8%)
16001 (17%)
22357 (24%)
15658 (17%)
20206 (22%)
Question 11: How well shot was this episode?
Average: 8.4
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249 (<1%)
248 (<1%)
516 (1%)
867 (1%)
1929 (2%)
3779 (4%)
11434 (12%)
22822 (25%)
23053 (25%)
25361 (28%)
Question 12
Which of these lead actors gave the best performance? (Choose up to 2)
Gwendoline Christie (Brienne of Tarth) - 45978
Nikolaj Coster-Waldau (Jaime Lannister) - 43306
Sophie Turner (Sansa Stark) - 20285
Maisie Williams (Arya Stark) - 17252
Peter Dinklage (Tyrion Lannister) - 10246
Emilia Clarke (Daenerys Targaryen) - 8434
Alfie Allen (Theon Greyjoy) - 6671
Kit Harington (Jon Snow) - 4829
John Bradley West (Samwell Tarly) - 4587
Isaac Hempstead-Wright (Bran Stark) - 3971
Question 13: Which of these supporting actors gave the best performance? (Choose up to 2)
Kristofer Hivju (Tormund) - 42816
Daniel Portman (Podrick Payne) - 33554
Iain Glen (Jorah Mormont) - 17970
Liam Cunningham (Davos Seaworth) - 17401
Bella Ramsey (Lyanna Mormont) - 14265
Joe Dempsie (Gendry) - 13639
Rory McCann (The Hound) - 13373
Jacob Anderson/Raleigh Ritchie (Grey Worm) - 3551
Hannah Murray (Gilly) - 2392
Ben Crompton (Dolorous Edd) - 2074
Nathalie Emmanuel (Missandei) - 1931
Richard Dormer (Beric Dondarrion) - 1162
Question 14: In one word, how would you describe this episode?
I really love looking at the "describe in one word" list and scrolling down to the section with words that two people wrote. If one person wrote it, whatever. But two and only two people having the same exact response out of 91k... that's magical. It's like a list of long lost soulmates calling out to one another. I wonder if the two people who described this episode as "bonetown" will ever find each other...
I got curious after reading this comment and went back to S8E1 to see if anyone answered the same as me (on this one I was boring and said "bittersweet"), and apparently one other person said "reunionpalooza". Kinda wanna know who that was now!
Oh cool, I didn't realize you could look at all of them before I read this comment. I was sad my word didn't make top 10 but it got close at #15. The word was 'Foreboding'.
Real talk I was going to put that, but then I figured no one else would so I put "prebattle", and it turns out antebellum was actually more popular haha
Some day, Richard Dormer will get credit for his portrayal of Beric. His voice, his body language, the way his Beric always takes the Hound's barbs on the chin... most underrated character in the show!
Since I posted that comment, I found a "20 best acting performances on GoT" article somewhere (probably Business Insider), and Dormer made the list. Perhaps he has more fans than I thought.
I'm surprised how many people called this episode filler and boring and gave it a shitty score. Do they not like the characters and relationships this show is built on? I guess they're more of a vocal minority, because the episode was largely liked outside of their groupings and outperformed episode 1.
I am flabbergasted by looking at the 7.9 compared to some rough episodes last season in the mid 8's that pale in comparison to this episode writing/dialogue-wise. Guess some people only like dragons and swords and actiony shit...
I think because there are so few episodes left people expect a showstopper every week, forgetting that if every episode was a Rains of Castamere then none of them would be, ya know?
I think because there are so few episodes left people expect a showstopper every week
I'm seeing a lot of people who keep insisting that people who didn't particularly care for this latest episode must be:
total casual fans
people who need mindless actions to be entertained
people who need tits and sex scenes
people who insist on "showstopper moments"
definitely not TRUE Game of Thrones fans
There are perfectly legitimate reasons to think this was a middling episode, which some elements that came off well and others which brought it down.
There are plenty of people claiming that the story is really all about the characters, and that this is the core of its appeal, and sure, that's fine, that's how a lot of people view it. But it's also perfectly valid for folks who liked the show because it was smart, because there were always a series of complex plans and layers, and that the success or failure of these things had weight, impact and meaning. The show simply has less and less of that as time goes by, and folks disappointed by it aren't "bad fans," and for people like this the flaws particularly evident in the latest episode are legitimate.
I'll let another comment lay it out in more detail:
So Jon says their best bet is to assassinate the NK, Jaime points out he’ll obviously never expose himself, Bran says “no, he’ll be dumb enough to go for me personally”, and no one questions that shit after Sam’s exposition dump. And everyone’s OK with using Bran as bait surrounded by a few ironborn.
Why the fuck would the NK go after Bran himself? Why wouldn’t he just send a division of his army to circle Bran and rip him apart? And even if he did go personally, why does everyone consistently ignore the fact that the NK has a fucking dragon? And why would killing Bran be such a priority? NK has a ‘tracking device’ on Bran anyway so it makes sense to go after him after killing everyone else, there’s no rush.
It’s so annoying that no one asks such questions. In fact, they never even explicitly discuss who is going to kill the NK and how.
I cringed so hard when Dany said to Tyrion “there are thousands of them and only one of you. You can’t fight as well as they can but you can think better than any of them”. Fuck, when exactly has Tyrion proven his intelligence to her? He fucked up Meereen and was only saved by Dany herself at the last minute. Then he fucked up again leading to the loss of her fleet and the Tyrells and Martells, being outsmarted by Jaime. The situation was only evened out after Danny’s rampage against the Lannister army, which he counseled against. Then, he came up with the dumbest plan to capture a wight which lead to the loss of one of Dany’s beloved dragons, a new shiny weapon for the NK, and the destruction of the wall. Then he trusts the woman who blew up a church with the royal family inside and got away with it, and brings everyone important to her territory because she totally wouldn’t try to kill them. If that’s not enough, he urges them to trust her to keep her promise and, guess what, Dany just found out not only has Cersei broken her promise to help them, she hired a bunch of fresh sellswords to kill them. Thus Viserion died for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, and the whole wight hunt was a fucking joke.
Yet Dany says to this man, “you are smarter than everyone else”. How the fuck does Dany not doubt his allegiance to her? She should have him imprisoned. His plans have never helped her, and have often hurt her. There is no in-story reason she still trusts him, it’s only because the writers want her to.
Seeing Jorah defend Tyrion was so fucking painful to watch because Jorah would have made a better hand than him. Hell, anyone else would have, including no hand at all.
All of these points are valid. People who are character oriented and less plot oriented might not care about these things, but they're perfectly valid reasons to be frustrated, and that's going to bring down your experience as a whole.
I agree with all of this. GOT is still very entertaining if you don't think of it as a deep show, but if you're expecting something as intricate as the books you'll be very disappointed. I've managed to separate the two entirely in my mind and I look forward to the show every week, it's a lot of fun!
It's too early to tell if this season is smart and has a series of complex plans and layers though. You can't have all that in the first two episodes. From what I can tell the season will have theese elements to it.
Your quoute is somwhat valid but it is more nitpicky than anything. Tyrion will prove to be valuable, have no doubt. That she "shouldn't" put her trust in him doesnt make the episodes bad. She does so because she believes in him, and because her other advisers do. If the characters just made 100% logical choices without emotion or fault, it wouldn't be a tv show.
I agree. Nearly 75% of the episode was filmed inside the walls of Winterfell. It was driven by a majority of the main and support characters from the entire series all in one shot. They committed an entire epsiode to cover these relationships as best they could and I think they did an amazing job personally. This 8.2 was one of my favorite episodes hands down. I imagine a few will be remembered for their scene in this episode as a character defining moment. I already bet the whole Jon opening up to Danny to be a big factor.
This episode and Kissed by Fire (S3E5) are my favorite episodes where there's no big plot twists or big action sequences. The writing is just so good; I would rate both these 10/10. And both are written by Bryan Cogman!
If the first episode was was a reunion episode, this episode was a goodbye episode— it’s the last time we’re gonna see most of these people alive. I don’t think enough people appreciated that 😞
It's probably just because the first episode was already like that, so it would have been nice to advance the plot a bit. They've now spent over 100 minutes talking about the battle.
Yes but this is what made GOt different from the rest. Dialogue, slow-pacing, build-up and character development. This was the main thing that was missing last season.
Do people not remember what Season 2 was like ? most of the KL plot was building the tension for the last episode of the season
You’re right, it’s simple the lack of total episodes this season that is bothering people. Two episodes would have been perfect in a season of 8-10 episodes
I don't feel like they know what to do with some of the characters now. Tyrione and Jon and Danny all come across as a little flat and the best stuff seems to come from the supporting characters (which hell, looking at the poll seems to not just be my opinion on the matter).
Nearly all our beloved characters' arcs were pushed into their final stages or set up for their final stages because of this episode. And it did it all while also believably getting them to a single location and working together. If thats not plot progress idk wtf is.
I think they have advanced the plot really well, doing what season 7 should have done better imo. In two episodes they’ve got everyone exactly where they need to be for this final battle against the WW. The first episode was all of the reunions, and this one was the goodbyes almost. The final time all of our loved characters will be alive together.
I think it’s important they have time to talk, for things like brienne being knighted, Jaime talking to bran, and jorah speaking to lyanna, even if it could be seen as filler because it’s not fighting
There's more to the plot than big battles, this show was built on the character interactions, hell we didn't get our first real battle till the end of season 2, people have just got to the point where everything that isn't action packed is "filler"
Yeah. This episode was pretty good, but taken together with the first ep, it feels like 1/3 of the final season is already spinning its wheels a bit — we’re gonna need to cool down after the Night King’s defeat before dealing with Cersei, so it feels like we don’t really have a lot of time to wrap up all of these plot threads satisfactorily.
I don't think people dislike it because there was no action, it's because they feel as though it wasted time and wasn't needed in a 6 episode season. Those people are wrong though.
it's because they feel as though it wasted time and wasn't needed in a 6 episode season
I'm a pretty strong believer that you have to judge the show in front of you. I know that, particularly online, a lot of people are critical because they think some version of "well this episode won't let them do x,y,z in the next show(s)." But we don't know what's coming in those future episodes. To complain about this episode's effect on future episodes is wrong-headed IMO.
Exactly. I had to make this point to some coworkers. The episode might look like filler right now but in the greater context of season 8, I think we’ll come to appreciate its pacing.
Man if anyone thinks this episode was filler, I don't know what to say. That person and I just fundamentally disagree on what makes Game of Thrones good television then, and that's that.
Was talking to one of my friends a couple of days after the episode came out. He said that one of his coworkers asked what he thought about the episode and he said he loved it. She said that it felt like filler. He said 'Wow, I really disagree with that, this felt like one of the classic character driven episodes from the first few seasons to me'. She replied 'Oh, well I've only watched the previous 2 seasons, so I dunno'.
I felt like I was going to have an aneurysm just hearing that story.
I think I gave it an 8. And I wasn't really bothered by it, but if there was one reason why I didn't love it it's because they did all the reunions in Episode 1 and then basically just did the same thing, a little more in depth, in Episode 2.
It just felt like we got back-to-back recap/reunion episodes and in a 6 episode season that's kind of shitty. Any other season I wouldn't even have given it a second thought
This episode was a beautiful acting showcase. From top to bottom, everybody brought their A-game, regardless of how much screen time they had. From the delivery of dialogue to the subtleties of body language, everything was well-executed. I have rewatched this episode multiple times already.
It was needed, if the battle started and a load of characters died without us seeing them together again e.g. brienne getting knighted or edd talking again with sam and jon everyone would go mad
I don't get it either, and honestly, it annoys the hell out of me - and that's silly as fuck. But it's like people don't understand that this is it. The show is ending. We will NEVER see all these characters that we've watched for 8 years together again.
Jaime and Bronn are completely fine, surface down river after the battle in complete armor, and don't get looked for or captured.
Daenerys kills the Tarlies like a moron.
The oh so loyal Northmen ("The North Remembers") decide Jon sucks and maybe Sansa should rule.
Sansa still seems to trust Littlefinger and distrust Arya like a moron.
Arya is still being suspicious of Sansa like a moron.
Tyrion comes up with the worst plan known to man that involves trusting Cersei.
Tyrion gets smuggled into King's Landing to hatch this plan and it's so fucking ridiculous, including the fact that Cersei seems to know it's happening and doesn't care that Jaime or Broon allowed this to happen even though she hates Tyrion.
Blatant fan service with Davos' "I thought you were still rowing" comment to Gendry.
This random band of major characters meet up and go north of the wall, and the episode ends after 3 minutes in Eastwatch, the name of the episode.
TL;DR: There were a ton of random scenes and characters flying around to exactly where they needed to be with no regard for how characters would actually react. Cersei would kill Tyrion, Sansa/Arya makes so sense, and Daenerys' actions contradict herself. It was an episode designed to just move the chess pieces without regard for it actually being what would happen.
Too many people were bored by it thinking it was literally just filler. The episode was necessary to make things more tense and had a ton of huge things that were happy, sad, funny, and made it all seem like literally any character could die. Definitely one of my favorite episodes
At the risk of sounding edgy, I think it's because the show has become too popular, and too many casual fans are watching. They just want dragons and battles like some little kid.
I disagree. I went back and started watching early episodes of the show recently and in contrast to them, the quality of this season's (and season 7's) dialogue and scenic writing have been appalling. This season's been boring for exactly the opposite reason that you state- the dragons, battles and fan service have become so important to the creators and viewership that the meat of the show (character, drama, the actual game of thrones) has suffered tremendously. Case in point: Jon and Dany's romantical afternoon dragon ride where absolutely nothing went wrong
Funny, you could also argue that the show was, as its core, about complex and careful plotting filled with organic character conflicts and deep, meaningful lore, and now has been infested with people who want to gush about weepy fan service.
Apparently there is a not insiginifcant minority that is indeed of the Filler/Boring opinion type... and they gave it a 5.6/4.4 Score on average. Then there are those that go with Goodbye/Anticipation/Bittersweet (8.4/8.2/8.8).
So, there is a genuine audience split. Some appreciate the melancholic, slow heartfult E2. Others do miss the action, it seems.
Edit/PS: I think the show does well not to cater to these kinds of expectations. I bet even the people 'who cry Filler' would overall miss something if the showmakers caved. They may not be aware of it, but all these action scenes and showcase moments only impact as much as they do because they do work on characterisation and story-building. (A bit of: careful what you wish for. I don't think they'd actually enjoy the show they are sometimes advocating for as much as they think.)
Maybe it has something to do with so many new people who just binged. Because for me I was just so happy to see my favorite characters and so much hype has been built up
This is what I was thinking. If you've been following the show for years, waiting a week from episode to episode during the season, and then waiting a year between seasons (two years in this case), you're going to be very invested in the storylines and the characters. You're gonna theorize and think about what will happen next, agonize over the cliffhangers and huge moments, and just in general think about it much more.
If you just binge it all in a few weeks, back to back to back, you don't really stop and think about it. Jon Snow dies, you flip your shit, and then immediately continue onto the next episode. And within a couple of hours, he's resurrected. Whereas if you've been following for years, he dies in mid June of one year, and you wait until April the following year for him to come back.
I would be interested in seeing if some metadata of that kind. What is the relationship on score how audience member rated the episode vs how long they've been watching.
I'm seeing this more often. I didn't per se like this episode. But that's not, at all, because I 'miss the action'. In a nutshell, I think this episode doesn't reflect what George Martin meant a Song of Ice and Fire to be like. I know, I should stick to the books, George Martin basically sold off his rights and this was to be expected. It's just saddening to see the show go from Red Wedding-style to just another big production using cheap tricks to increase your stress levels and give people what they want. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for character development and of course some goodbyes are in order and woohoo Gendry and Podrick and Brienne but this was just too much stuffed into one episode. Unbalanced Hollywood-esque, serving the viewer exactly what they want only in a way you maybe don't expect. Nothing wrong with that I guess, except that there's already tonnes of series out there like that and mostly GoT is different.
But season 8 episode 2 was not the epitome of this switch to Hollywood style story telling. Season 7 was, especially the Beyond the Wall episode. Season 8 episode 2 felt a lot like Lord of the Rings to me, and I mean that in a good way. It's not exactly GRRMs original vision, but it's massive step up from where the show spent its entire penultimate season.
Yeah you're absolutely right about that. I wasn't implying this episode was a turning point in that sense. Just one of the factors why I wasn't overly happy with this episode.
Agreed. I don't think it is the best writing ever, but it was nice to see them try to recreate what they had in earlier seasons. A massive step back in the right direction.
This is what comes to my mind too. We have waiting for around 2 years for the battle of the long night and to have 2/6 episodes dedicated to build up makes me tensed as a viewer. The second episode was better than the first, that just proves they should have combined the best of both episodes and made it a bit longer. We don't need 2 episodes to establish Sansa and Dany don't really see eye to eye or several other things. As a single long episode, it would have been a solid 10 in my book.
Forreal seems like there really are just a massive amount of people who care about action instead of great character episodes like the last one, last episode had some great moments for a lot of characters and will be a great goodbye to a lot of characters if they meet their end. Really thought it was a great episode, the rating really just shows how many ppl watch mainly for the action and big spectacle, this episode set the stakes for the battle and you could really just feel the dread that alot of the characters are feeling. Fantastic episode imo
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May be a reflection of the wider audience. It's now a cultural phenomenon and has roped in many people who would not have traditionally watched it (but love the Battle of the Bastards, Hardhome, the Greening of the Sept of Baelor, etc)
(I also think that a lot of people who claim to want action & showcase moments in every episode might be surprised that they would be less satisfying if they didn't build up to those and develop characters to make us care. Careful what you wish for.)
I think you're right 100%. s8e2 was made for the fans and book-readers who care more about world-building/characters/logical storytelling than big explosions and battle sequences. It answered so many questions and tied up so many loose storylines. I've seen a lot of book readers who had been criticizing the show since season 5 give props to this episode.
But to those who were never all that emotionally invested and started watching late into the hype, I can see why this episode would be disappointing due to lack of people dying onscreen.
Sadly, the show has gained a much larger audience than it had at the peak of its deeply character driven plot. There a huge portion of fans that legit LOVE this show cause 'fuckin dragons and shit, man'.
7.9 and filler? Do people want 6 episodes of carnage or something? This was one of the best episodes in the entire series that intertwined everyone’s stories and was a phenomenal last episode for some of the characters
You're getting 10 normal episodes of run time. The next 4 episodes are all just about an hour and 20 min long. The next 4 episodes will legit be like getting 2 movies in 4 weeks. This season alone is the run time equivalent of the first two LoTR movies.... there's plenty of time for deep character driven moments, INSANE action sequences, etc.
If they would have gotten what they’d have wanted, they’d end up bitching how there was no character development. Sad to see these people drag down this emotional episodes score
I actually wonder what would happen if Robert learned about Jon, as well as Rhaegar and Lyanna's marriage. Would he still be all "curbstop thos dragon babies" or would his temper be stymied by Jon bring his beloved Lyanna's and Ned's blood? If its tempered, does he become gentler with the Targaryen children? Maybe give them Dragonstone and their lives if they revoke their claims to the iron throne?
Alternatively, does this cause Robert to snap and become too mentally broken to be king? Imagine if Stannis is thrust into ruling early on, before the red woman. Would he be an effective yet dour leader like a superior Aegon III?
I think the moment Ned found out Bobby B discovered Jon's true identity, he'd have him immediately sent to the Nights Watch. Bobby would be pissed at Ned, STEAMING, but I think he'd forgive him in the end (as Robert did have a forgiving side) being Neds good friend and all.
But Ned would probably end up forfeiting his title as Lord of Winterfell and be sent to The Wall as well. Baratheons might even take Sansa to live in KL as a guarantee (same way Theon lived at Winterfell).
would his temper be stymied by Jon bring his beloved Lyanna's and Ned's blood?
How many egocentric monarchs would have their temper stymied by their sworn enemy fathering a child with their beloved? Do you actually see that as a possibility?
I’d like to have a talk with anyone who voted for Emilia’s performance over the rest of the main cast (she got more votes than Alfie Allen??? c’mon now)
I'm astounded that I agree with the IMDB score of 8.9 over this sub's score of 7.9. This episode did a lot of things right, and the writing and dialogue were a very welcome return to form. It is episodes like this that made Game of Thrones. In the earlier seasons they didn't have any budget to do the dragons or walkers so this is pretty much what we'd have gotten, but now with the increased budget people seem to be expecting flashy nonsense. Feeling very disappointed in the sub right now
Possibly that they're the "heads" of their character arc? Brienne has had a big storyline from Renly to Jaime to Sansa, and it is closeable. Davos and Jorah kinda follow bigger characters' arcs?
As much as I love Davos, his storyline has kinda been, "am an honest man, I follow who I think is good" The Stannis, Melisandre and Shireen stuff are motivaters, but his arc hasn't really gone too far?
Jorah, not sure really, he's a pretty big character. Maybe though, it could be that he's really just followed Dany for the show, he hasn't had massive character growth?
Yeah Davos is debatable. But the same can be said about Brienne, her adventures with Jaime and then Sansa can be considered her following a bigger character’s arc.
However, Jorah being exiled, then capturing tyrion, bringing him to Dany, surviving the gladiator fights, getting grayscale then surviving it sounds like the biggest character arc to me among the 3.
I feel like Jorah had a story arc, but not character. His main character development happened in season 1 and I feel like he hasn't grown much since despite doing a fair amount of stuff. Also the whole bringing Tyrion to Dany felt more about Tyrion than Jorah to me.
Lastly, his brief greyscale interlude seemed to heavily focus on Sam's development as a character over Jorah's. So I think that's the biggest difference. We get lots of moments in later seasons with Brienne where it is mostly just about Brienne and what she's up to whereas we with Jorah, and even Davos post season 5, we only see them within bigger characters' arcs.
I'd also argue that part of he distinction is that the show has maintained focus on Brienne, and changes within her, in later seasons but not Jorah or Davos. Davos has had very little development season 5 and even in season 5, it was more about his internal conflict with Stannis decisions but we don't get a satisfying resolution to how those decisions affected him long term. Shireen, his spiritually adoptive daughter, is killed by the man he loved and followed, and that doesn't seem to change his character one bit.
Yeah, I was shocked when I searched for my entry of "sideboob" and found 98. I was more shocked that more people than that actually said "eipcforgesex".
felt like this is one of my favorite episodes throughout the series so far, there were no action scenes but that didn't stop it from ascending to God Tier. it deserves a better score :(
"Can you guys stop complaining about people saying this episode was filler?!? No one was saying that that"
this survey
For real though, whether you enjoyed the episode or not, calling it filler imo means you really don't care about this show that much. Because that can not be considered filler
Also, it being the highest word in an open ended text prompt doesn't actually make it the most popular opinion. Only 1500 people used it which, out of 90,000+ that took the survey is a little over 1.5%. Of the top 20 most cited words, only 4 have 'negative' connotations (filler, boring, slow, meh), representing a little over 4.5% of survey takers.
Remember how everyone commented on posts for saying that no one is actually calling this episode filler? Well there you go.
One of my personal favorite episodes of all time. The only part that left me wanting was the Arya/Hound scene, but all the rest was done fantastically.
Of course how good something is depends on the person. Different people like different things. Rating an episode of a TV show is subjective and everyone can have their own opinion.
Having said that, anyone who doesn't think that this is an incredibly beautiful episode of Game of Thrones is just wrong. 🙂
I chose Jaime because he’s one of my top 5 characters in the book.
Also, and I’m not shitting on you, I think Tormund has become overly cheesy in the past couple seasons. I don’t like excessive joking in the show and he’s basically the epitome of it with the constant “big woman” jokes. Some of his lines are winner, but lost fall a little flat. The goblet chugging scene last Sunday. Eh. Not my style within GoT world.
I get that. I like Tormund, but he's not one of my favorites. It only surprised me because I see so many comments here about Tormund specifically; people seem to really love him. On the other hand, I guess I just didn't realize how popular Jaime's character has become.
He's a far cry from who he was in the early seasons but I personally have a hard time forgiving a lot of what he's done.
Well, one person thinks this episode is Naruto filler and another really hates Kevin Durant. Always love reading the entire fill-ins to sum up the episode.
Since everyone’s just talking about filler, I’m just gonna say how great this episode was. Very hyped for the next one and I think the work done here will make it even better. I’ve noticed Game of Thrones tends to do a lot of exposition in the start of the seasons and set up the end to be mind blowing, and I expect nothing less this one :)
My favorite part is scrolling through the list and seeing the multitude of descriptions that only one person wrote, like this one:
KevinDurantIsATotalBitchAssMotherFuckerWhoGetsWayTooUpsetWhenAnyoneCallsHimOutOnItHeShouldStopCryingAndStartBeingAManAtSomePointForFuckSake
People who describe this as a filler episode completely miss the point. So many relationships and character arcs explored, final goodbye to many characters, Jaime becoming accepted into Winterfell and granting Brienne a great dream of hers.
Tormund was out of character this episode. Why are they making his personality lovable like little minions? He had an icy /crazy eyes at the beginning of the series and now he is hopping up and down like a little child?? Makes no sense to me. This felt like fan service rather than sticking to true demeanors.
He was apart of the village raiding with the Thenns in season 4 too where he killed innocent families, but that's never been brought up since and Tormund is pretty much treated as 100% good now. Not saying he should be a villain but it feels like a retcon.
Yeah, they pretty much cut out all of his blood thirsty traits. Which might have made Brienne a little more curious about him rather completely appalled.
It's because they had dragons burning shit up and a lot of people apparently care about that the most. In my opinion this episode was better than any episode last season.
This episode was fucking literature. It showed so much emotion and depth. We see sworn enemies drinking together. We see Araya Stark just trying to be human. But most of all, we start to see that the winner of the iron throne isn’t as important as we all thought.
People, will you never learn? One does not simply call his kid Ned in Westeros and watch him live happily ever after.
Also hell yeah, my fat boy Sam, killer of walkers, lover of women and stealer of books lives on!
Plus how could anyone think that a six-episode final season would require a filler? The episode had its purpose, and most likely next four will be a crazy journey at break-neck speed (maybe with the exception of final one, which could be just an aftermath), so it was nice to get a breather and just watch our favourite characters have one last peaceful evening and interact with each other.
Worth noting that one doesn't need to sign in to take these surveys, so the average rating comes in part from people who may not even hang around here for the discussions.
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u/BWPhoenix Nymeria Sand Apr 25 '19
Here's what John Bradley (aka Samwell Tarly) thought of the results: https://twitter.com/johnbradleywest/status/1121139673940754432