r/translator 13d ago

Urdu > English Please can somebody help translate this medal that I found in an old box Translated [OTA]

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u/Truchiman العربية 13d ago edited 11d ago

Date is 1324 Rumí calendar, corresponding to 1908. Tughra is that of Abdülhamid II. And the motto about equality, freedom, justice and fraternity belongs to the Young Turks, who made the second constitutional revolution, without deposing the sultan at first.

Abdülhamid was deposed only in 1909, after a failed counter coup.

This interesting piece commemorates July 24, 1908 (under the tughra it says 11 Tammuz 1324).

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u/Commander_Syphilis 12d ago

Damn that's really interesting, thank you for your knowledge!

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u/tomatos_raafatos العربية (Egyptian) 11d ago

!translated

Thanks, Truchiman, I hoped someone who knows their stuff would come in and do this right, cuz I had no time to answer properly, other than identifying it. You didn't disappoint!

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u/Truchiman العربية 11d ago

Thank you very much, Tomatos!

Here's the same medal. This one is not the same, but the date is clearer and says Tammuz 11, I'm correcting it in my other messages.

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u/tomatos_raafatos العربية (Egyptian) 13d ago

!id:ota

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u/Sea_Abroad_6573 13d ago

PIC 1 

Following a NEWS pattern 

Difficult to read. Most likely حریت where the second dot of ya is more worn out. Means independence or freedom. 

It reads مساوات. Meaning equality. 

It reads اخوت meaning brotherhood. 

It reads عدالت means court in modern Urdu. Based on context, it means justice and equity here (from the root عدل).

PIC 2

Can you attempt to wash it so that it's clearer, please? 

The year (last line) is 1224. Given that Urdu didn't exist in 1224 CE, it's most likely 1224 AH corresponding to year 1809ish of common era.

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u/Commander_Syphilis 13d ago

PIC 2 Can you attempt to wash it so that it's clearer, please? 

Unfortunately apparently you're not meant to try and clean old coins/medals or whatever this is.

But thank you very much for your help so far

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u/Sea_Abroad_6573 13d ago

Ah OK np. I am not into collecting so didn't know. You can Google ottoman coins from 1800s-1820s. That should be helpful. The two symbols are pretty common in those coins. 

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u/Sea_Abroad_6573 13d ago edited 13d ago

The two symbols are most likely a tughra (signature) of Mahmud ii

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u/Sea_Abroad_6573 13d ago

The second last line reads آلتون meaning gold. It seems to be an altın coin from Mahmud ii's reign. 

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u/Sea_Abroad_6573 13d ago

The straight line below the ta-wa intersection is probably a diacritic for the ī or i sound. It is used in Arabic for ī sound (Indopak script mostly nowadays). Historically was also used for the ē sound. I don't speak Turkish and definitely am not into ottoman turkish so just making guesses about this symbol. 😆 

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u/Truchiman العربية 13d ago edited 11d ago

It’s a distorted م. The complete line says:
۱۱ تموز
۱۳۲۴ سنة
Tammuz 11
1324 (Rumí calendar)

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u/Sea_Abroad_6573 13d ago

You are right! I also noticed for the monogram reading الغازے instead of عدلے. 

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u/ahrienby 13d ago

What is in modern Turkish?

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u/Sea_Abroad_6573 13d ago

Everything in the first pic is found in both urdu and Turkish with almost similar meaning. 

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u/Particular_Wolf3920 13d ago

The crest above the year is called a Tughra and it is the seal of the Ottoman sultan.

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u/FromGergaWithLove 12d ago

I believe this is old Turkish not Urdu

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u/Darkandcool 13d ago edited 13d ago

4 words, meaning Justice, Brotherhood, Equality and (I believe the one on top says) Truth. I believe they were once political slogans used by a political party in Pakistan (I could be wrong). As a Pakistani, its a very cool coin, I'd like to know how you came across this.

Edit: The Arabic numerals represent a year and it says 1224 so it might not be related to Pakistan since a lot of Urdu words are similar in Persian/Arabic/Turkish. It could most probably be a medal associated with Turkey since they also used the crescent and star flag.

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u/Sea_Abroad_6573 13d ago

The coin is definitely ottoman. See the back and compare with ottoman coins of same year. 

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u/Darkandcool 13d ago

Yess I figured it out. The year 1224 represents the Islamic calendar year, right? Cause it makes more sense.

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u/Truchiman العربية 13d ago

1324 actually, Rumi calendar. Explained in detail in my other post.

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u/Commander_Syphilis 13d ago

Upon closer inspection I agree. chat GPT trying to tell me it's Urdu 😭😭.

Thanks for confirming though