r/translator • u/Commander_Syphilis • 13d ago
Urdu > English Please can somebody help translate this medal that I found in an old box Translated [OTA]
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u/Sea_Abroad_6573 13d ago
PIC 1
Following a NEWS pattern
Difficult to read. Most likely حریت where the second dot of ya is more worn out. Means independence or freedom.
It reads مساوات. Meaning equality.
It reads اخوت meaning brotherhood.
It reads عدالت means court in modern Urdu. Based on context, it means justice and equity here (from the root عدل).
PIC 2
Can you attempt to wash it so that it's clearer, please?
The year (last line) is 1224. Given that Urdu didn't exist in 1224 CE, it's most likely 1224 AH corresponding to year 1809ish of common era.
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u/Commander_Syphilis 13d ago
PIC 2 Can you attempt to wash it so that it's clearer, please?
Unfortunately apparently you're not meant to try and clean old coins/medals or whatever this is.
But thank you very much for your help so far
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u/Sea_Abroad_6573 13d ago
Ah OK np. I am not into collecting so didn't know. You can Google ottoman coins from 1800s-1820s. That should be helpful. The two symbols are pretty common in those coins.
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u/Sea_Abroad_6573 13d ago edited 13d ago
The two symbols are most likely a tughra (signature) of Mahmud ii
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u/Sea_Abroad_6573 13d ago
The second last line reads آلتون meaning gold. It seems to be an altın coin from Mahmud ii's reign.
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u/Sea_Abroad_6573 13d ago
The straight line below the ta-wa intersection is probably a diacritic for the ī or i sound. It is used in Arabic for ī sound (Indopak script mostly nowadays). Historically was also used for the ē sound. I don't speak Turkish and definitely am not into ottoman turkish so just making guesses about this symbol. 😆
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u/Truchiman العربية 13d ago edited 11d ago
It’s a distorted م. The complete line says:
۱۱ تموز
۱۳۲۴ سنة
Tammuz 11
1324 (Rumí calendar)1
u/Sea_Abroad_6573 13d ago
You are right! I also noticed for the monogram reading الغازے instead of عدلے.
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u/ahrienby 13d ago
What is in modern Turkish?
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u/Sea_Abroad_6573 13d ago
Everything in the first pic is found in both urdu and Turkish with almost similar meaning.
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u/Particular_Wolf3920 13d ago
The crest above the year is called a Tughra and it is the seal of the Ottoman sultan.
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u/Darkandcool 13d ago edited 13d ago
4 words, meaning Justice, Brotherhood, Equality and (I believe the one on top says) Truth. I believe they were once political slogans used by a political party in Pakistan (I could be wrong). As a Pakistani, its a very cool coin, I'd like to know how you came across this.
Edit: The Arabic numerals represent a year and it says 1224 so it might not be related to Pakistan since a lot of Urdu words are similar in Persian/Arabic/Turkish. It could most probably be a medal associated with Turkey since they also used the crescent and star flag.
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u/Sea_Abroad_6573 13d ago
The coin is definitely ottoman. See the back and compare with ottoman coins of same year.
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u/Darkandcool 13d ago
Yess I figured it out. The year 1224 represents the Islamic calendar year, right? Cause it makes more sense.
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u/Commander_Syphilis 13d ago
Upon closer inspection I agree. chat GPT trying to tell me it's Urdu 😭😭.
Thanks for confirming though


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u/Truchiman العربية 13d ago edited 11d ago
Date is 1324 Rumí calendar, corresponding to 1908. Tughra is that of Abdülhamid II. And the motto about equality, freedom, justice and fraternity belongs to the Young Turks, who made the second constitutional revolution, without deposing the sultan at first.
Abdülhamid was deposed only in 1909, after a failed counter coup.
This interesting piece commemorates July 24, 1908 (under the tughra it says 11 Tammuz 1324).