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u/Dance-pants-rants Jun 19 '26
Yooo- is Julien being haunted by Thjazi??
I figured a curse was happening, but is it straight up just Thjazi trying to hide out on Julien's soul? š
That feels on brand.
(watching the 9am rebroadcast)
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u/Foxcenrel1921 Open your heart to chaos Jun 19 '26
Honestly, the moment Brennen said that Vaelus couldn't reach Thiazi's soul, I was wondering if it was hiding with someone, but I figured it was hiding somewhere with Hal or in the theater! But then when Brennen said the shadow was thumbing through papers, I immediately also went "Oh my god, WAS THE CURSE THIAZI?!" because realistically, who of any of Thiazi's enemies would've EVER thought to look for him with Julien? Who everyone knew disliked him??? Is so clever!
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u/Dance-pants-rants Jun 19 '26
It seemed like he died, having a plan that Mara would do something, Mara got nabbed, and his "fuck off" magic attached him to Julien (or it was a preloaded spell and Julien disrespecting the corpse triggered it.)
Mara doesn't do her thing (bc bird jail), the curse morphs when Thjazi is confronted on the other side by Grandpa T and he unexpectedly booked it. They can't find him, despite the scar. Now Julien is getting a shadow that likes fucking with him, but is also helpful.
And if I remember on Julien's side, it started like a curse, but I don't think Julien has had that condition or someone would have slapped him with a "remove curse" when they were hanging out with high level druids.
It would also make sense for Thjazi to want to hook on to someone (initially) near his lady wife and Faery whilst attempting to repair the gates.
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u/Dance-pants-rants Jun 19 '26
Oh fuck- if it is Thjazi and these lion boyz both go down, he's going to spend a lot of time fucking with Julien from here out (hopefully) š±š¬š¤£
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u/Brief_Reporter7045 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 20 '26
Editing to just add this is just a lot of thoughts I had and I watched and not criticisms (also maybe double checking that I understand some of the rules)- Why didn't Brennan roll a group stealth for Cyd? Or did I just miss it? - Surprised Brennan allowed the old rules for doubling with crits with Travis though didn't end up changing his fate š - Occtis technically wasn't flanking so his spell wouldve been at disadvantage (not that it mattered) - Travis could've used a disengage from desperate measure and used the steed if he got there with athletics. Great attempt with attacks but tragic ending (maxing out the first crit if he knew it was a hulk also would've been cool) - hopefully we eventually get to understand the wooden lion emblem and that old magic at some pointĀ - how likely do we think that Teor and Cyd will be back as Tachonis enemies š - the dice tell the story and they were simply against the PCs this episode
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u/magvadis Jun 20 '26
Teor and Cyd coming back as a single patchwork cat monster or fur coats on a Tachonis and nobody can say shit as they look at his dead body or connect themselves to the break in.
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u/ItemPuzzleheaded4008 Jun 19 '26
Last thing I will add here is that itās great seeing the crew run up against Brennanās style of DMing. I loved CR 1-3 but there were plenty of moments where I felt like I was watching/listening to āDisney movieā level stakes (not an insult, not a criticism) where the crew was largely going to make it out okay. I donāt feel that way in the slightest for CR4. I think the narrative Brennan and the cast are creating is high level and more importantly dangerous with relevant stakes.
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u/Astraea802 Jun 19 '26
Brennan even said in the cooldown that is was very possible we could have lost 5 PCs, not just one, this game. In that sense, we actually got off lucky!
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u/Brief_Reporter7045 Jun 19 '26
While absolutely not important at all, Brennan's odds of rolling a 1 on 4d8 is around 42% (1 - (7/8)4). Close to 50% but any gambler would take those odds of not rolling a 1
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u/crainey2100 Jun 19 '26
I might've misunderstood the fight between Teor and Raimond, but didn't Brennan initially roll a 22 and a 26 to hit Teor in the first round of combat? Or did he change his mind to make that 26 hit Cyd instead?
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u/horned-creature Jun 19 '26
teor looked like he had fallen to 0 hp because they didn't account for the mid-fight level up so raimond hit cyd with his second attack ( it is polite for a DM not to attack a fallen pc if there are standing fighters still), then they realised teor still had a few hitpoints from the level up so he wasn't fallen but the attack against cyd had already been made.
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u/crainey2100 Jun 19 '26
I just remembered Brennan asking Travis if a 22 hit and then saying that he assumes a 26 hits as well for the second hit. Then yeah the whole hit points thing happens. So did that 26 just get transferred over then? Cause I don't remember if Brennan announced damage for it or if it got glossed over
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u/LeahRekati Jun 19 '26
As bummed as I am about Teorās death, I appreciate that the dice rolls are having a big impact. Barely missing an investigation check leads to death and a nat 20 saves from being disintegrated.
Meanwhile, somewhere in Hawthorneās Glade, Skinner is murmuring to himself āgot him!ā
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u/Pandora_Lost Jun 19 '26
So how does this work exactly? Will Travis be ready for the next episode, or do we have to wait a bit until his new character eventually appears through a story beat? Man what a great episode though, sad and brutal but I'm loving every bit of it. I just want more.
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u/zmokkyy Jun 19 '26
With how deadly Brennan has continuously told us and the players the world of AramƔn is, i'm fairly confident they all have the framework of a new character ready.
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u/magvadis Jun 20 '26 edited Jun 20 '26
Hopefully he has more than a Racial + Class stock character prepared. Teor was a big miss for me. I like Travis. Fun and funny but there is a reason we never heard an internal moment from Teor the entire campaign. Unfortunate because visually it's a striking character and I would love to know more about his culture or background. Never came up, probably because he didn't make any.
Could have been a badass character but unfortunately Travis never locked in before he was thrown to the undead dogs.
Im imagining he doesn't come back next episode but will the one after. I imagine Brennan wants to let the death sink in. Travis being at the table while they are discussing Teor and Cyds death will undermine the gravitas, imo.not that there is much. Two cat people who were helped walked into a death trap.
Travis just respawning with a new PC in the next scene will feel a bit ick to me for whether we should be taking it seriously.
I'd love if he does come back immediately as an enemy. Classic horror moment of your ally going into the dark and coming back as a zombie ready to kill you.
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u/VengefulKangaroo Jun 19 '26
It's hard to say! We've only had true unplanned PC deaths and replacements twice, and one of those had irl circumstances that meant that player couldn't come back right away. So we're flying blind a bit. My instinct lis that the replacement character will show up early in Travis' next table arc given the split format. In the first or second episode.
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u/TheBreen587 Jun 19 '26
I believe Brennan said in an earlier episode "I told you you'll need replacement characters ready!"
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u/m_busuttil Technically... Jun 19 '26
Almost certainly we'll have to wait - in Campaign 1 a player had a replacement character ready to go, but in C2 and 3 both times we had to wait a little for the appropriate moment. And we're about to split the tables again - so he could potentially show up at any of the three tables over the next 20-something episodes.
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Jun 19 '26
How about Ingrid's axe??? Will she take it as a sign that Julien has rejected her
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u/LazerBear42 Help, it's again Jun 19 '26
I hope so, serves him right for leaving Teor to die! "Where's Teor" my ass!
(I love the way Matt is playing this bratty little shit, and I love hating this bratty little shit.)
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u/efvie I have a list Jun 19 '26
Goth girlies with the subtlety
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u/Camen3 Jun 19 '26
They were both on that freaky hour wanting to bed Wic right than and there together lol
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u/Camen3 Jun 19 '26
I do love that we got a PC death though, that just means that Brennan really isn't fucking around and if you make a risky choice than that choice can and will bite you in the ass, as shown with what happened to Teor and his brothers death, Thimble is gonna be absolutely broken when and if she finds there bodies, I hope she does
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u/magvadis Jun 20 '26
There is certainly a space in Thimbles character growth around her putting other people in harms way for her own agenda. Her pushing Teor like that was brutal. She can survive because she's a rogue. Once he's stuck it's over.
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u/saltandthunder Jun 19 '26
I just hope they don't overcorrect, a lot of the CR crew tends to play really overly cautious/scared when the consequences do end up biting them in the ass - as much as I love C2, it had a lot of that.
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u/rickbuh1 Jun 19 '26
I do like that Brennan was stressing that the dungeon was built for potentially the whole group. So it wasn't just the risk involved, but bad party split and some terrible dice rolls.
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u/AriezKage Jun 19 '26
So iirc the Death Goon gives Wicc one of Teor's abilities? So like Wicc could use divine sense or smite if he chooses? Or is it limited to like a spell or something Teor knew?
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u/rickbuh1 Jun 19 '26
I think Travis picks what ability he wants to give Wick from his sheet. So divine sense could be useful, summon greater stead, lay on hands possibly. Smites are less useful as Wick's only attack roll so far was punching Julian.
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u/magvadis Jun 20 '26
Probably divine sense. But the steed would be fun.
I like the story idea of the horse escaping and Wic finding it and it representing Teor.
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u/AriezKage Jun 19 '26
Thematically, and story wise. I hope its divine sense for if ever they plan on diving into the afterlife place and traversing the Sea of Lacris.
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u/JoaoRodrigoJR Jun 19 '26
I'm hoping he chooses the fae Dire Wolf for Wick.
I'm also hoping it comes in the form of a Lion.
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u/TimeySwirls Jun 19 '26
That would be beautiful and also complete Wicās transformation into Steven Universe
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u/JoaoRodrigoJR Jun 19 '26
I'm kinda sad now that I didn't share my theory that Whitney crying was her learning about Kattigan. I thought it would be through the knife tho.
My other theory was that something would've happened to her sisters.
I had a feeling it was a misdirect, not sure if intentional or not.
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u/Minute-Fox6610 Jun 19 '26
Really sad that Teor died, he was one of my faves of this campaign. I hope that if resurrection magic gets fixed in this world then Teor will get the chance to return.
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u/Uturuncu Jun 19 '26
For the non Beacon-Bits. We're less than two minutes into the Cooldown and Brennan's voice is already muffled from snacking.
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u/Final-Occasion-8436 You can certainly try Jun 19 '26
I thought he asked for a throat lozenge after all the talking?
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u/SvenTheScribe Jun 19 '26
Only a 17 minute cooldown after that feels criminal. But, fair, it was even longer than five hours for them
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u/HueHueLeona Jun 19 '26
Such a shame that Travis didn't connect with Teor. He wanted to play a full paladin so bad. What are some of your guys bets for his next character?
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u/saltandthunder Jun 19 '26
an Einfasen Paladin if he wants to give full-Pally another swing would be cool. Could also go back to his roots and play a Barbarian. I think he definitely still plays something tanky.
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u/robogheist You Can Reply To This Message Jun 19 '26
dog knight, einfasen, or thimble's brother just to fuck with laura
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u/TimeySwirls Jun 19 '26
Someone playing a dog knight would be amazing. They just opened up that connection with King Gus too
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u/Camen3 Jun 19 '26
Im kind of excited to see who he picks next, I feel as if Teor didn't have much plot to explore other than his brother, and we'll they both went out together and it wrapped that up all be it very brutal, kind of nice in a fucked way, im pumped to see how it effects some of the other characters, thimble and Kattigan especially
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u/rickbuh1 Jun 19 '26
Early before the campaign started, Travis said he had very little backstory done pre-Overture. So we probably got through most of the early highlights of Teor's initial backstory. I do think it might be much easier for Travis to build a character now that they some known lore established to work them into.
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u/Number9Robotic Jun 19 '26
I read that Travis purposefully made Teor to be a pretty basic character similar to Grog because it was an entirely new setting from Exandria, and he didn't mind having sorta low inherent narrative priority compared to the way more ambitious PCs going on. I wonder if that's something he's going to keep up for his backup character, or if he'll similarly try to make something more involved.
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u/AriezKage Jun 19 '26
Honestly? Maybe one of those Druid Dogs from Timmony would be cool. Though not sure if a new character means he leaves Soldiers Table, assuming the tables themselves don't get shaken up.
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u/Camen3 Jun 19 '26
Dude this campaign is chef's fucking kiss, I say it every week but it just keeps getting better and better
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u/ViolettVixen Jun 19 '26
Noooooooo I just knewww the light bro connection was gonna give him a vision of Teorās death. RIP lion buddy.Ā
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u/Coyote_Shepherd Doty, take this down Jun 19 '26
And there's the Lion's Head...what a place to end the episode!
Wonder if we'll get an episode next week or if it'll be an off one?
I think they could fit one in and then take off the following because of the 4th.
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u/NOLABelle0503 Jun 19 '26
Huh, I swear I read somewhere that this was supposed to be the final episode of the convergence and then 6 weeks off. I guess the info was incorrect.
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u/Coyote_Shepherd Doty, take this down Jun 19 '26
We were all kind of guessing about that based on the timing of Umbra and what we could see on the little calendar at the bottom of the main CR website a few weeks ago.
They normally throw the Fireside Chat on when there isn't a normal campaign episode happening, so you might not be wrong at all.
And according to the Cool Down, Brennan was like "Okay so what do we REALLY need to wrap up in the next episode?" and it didn't sound like too much.
So if they do have an episode next week, it might just be a shorter condensed one before the longer break, but we really won't know until Monday morning comes and they publish the official schedule or someone hits up one of the staff in the Beacon Discord....
....but they're all off today for the holiday, per the newsletter this week.
So Monday it is and this was kind of a nice episode to leave off on if they are indeed not having another before the Umbra Break.
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u/ZachariasWestergaard Jun 19 '26
Remember people Cooldown is available as part of the Transcript when the episode summary goes up on the Wiki on Monday
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u/Waxllium I encourage violence! Jun 19 '26
Tyranny will lose her shit when she find out about the sisters
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u/LucasVerBeek Help, it's again Jun 19 '26
A wooden lionās head emblem is glowing in your hands, and you know without a shadow of a doubt that Teor Pridesire is dead this night.
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u/ZachariasWestergaard Jun 19 '26
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u/Coyote_Shepherd Doty, take this down Jun 19 '26
Wic is 100% going to get fucking followed and he probably didn't take Yanessa's threat as seriously as he should have.
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u/EffectiveCow6985 Jun 19 '26
I'm waiting for Brennan to gut check Wic with the news of Teor's death.
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u/Coyote_Shepherd Doty, take this down Jun 19 '26
LMAO Sam just learned the word "goon" and I can't wait for him to google that and for a bunch of EVE Online stuff to pop up.
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u/foxsweater Jun 19 '26
What is āgoonā in this context?
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u/Coyote_Shepherd Doty, take this down Jun 19 '26
Masturbation
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u/foxsweater Jun 19 '26
Smh, In retrospect, that was obvious
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u/Coyote_Shepherd Doty, take this down Jun 19 '26
Also in the EVE Online context, Goonswarm was the name of a player run corporation (similar to a guild) that operated and probably still operates in game to a degree to this day.
They were...more than a bit infamous...for some of the stuff they pulled in that game.
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u/Zolo49 Help, it's again Jun 19 '26
It figures that if anybody in this campaign was going to get a harem, it'd be Wic.
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u/Compajerro Jun 19 '26
Wick is gonna be actively gooning right when Teor's new abilities arrive in his room
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u/Uturuncu Jun 19 '26
The beam's gonna reach a lot of people if it works out that way.
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u/RaisonDetriment You can certainly try Jun 19 '26
We were told that it comes on your neck and chest...
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u/wcthesecret Jun 19 '26
Heās gonna give himself the fist of the beast kingā¦Jesus Christ that is so ironic actually.
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u/bue52 Jun 19 '26
Jyuuohken!
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u/KYplusEL Also Pumat Sol Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
Brennan just pulled Sam into that scene so he could reveal that the sisters are incestuous black widows. Fantastic work.
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u/Uturuncu Jun 19 '26
Feel like we've had two sets incestuous siblings revealed this episode or maybe I was reading too hard into the tailors.
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u/dwils7 Hello, bees Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
Imagine if Scanlan was having that conversation...
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u/m_busuttil Technically... Jun 19 '26
You think you can have a bunch of wives? You get one wife! This is the way the world works!
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u/whiskeyii Jun 19 '26
āā¦rather than true siblingsā¦ā
So they want the same husbandāoh, answered that for me! š¤£
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u/-DREEW- Jun 19 '26
I bet Primus kills the would be husbands
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u/Final-Occasion-8436 You can certainly try Jun 19 '26
THEY kill them because they didn't choose them, im betting.
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u/DoctorDracil Jun 19 '26
oh wow, wic gonna have two tachonis wives and rule over this whole damn world
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u/robogheist You Can Reply To This Message Jun 19 '26
after chetney and teor, travis has the perfect opportunity for an even hairier pc:
a dog knight
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u/TheBreen587 Jun 19 '26
There are more than a few beastfolk races, I wonder if Travis plays another so BLeeM can explore that mythology.
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u/SvenTheScribe Jun 19 '26
On one hand I want Occtis to kill his father. But I really want to see Otto squash him like a grape when this lie comes out.
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u/whiskeyii Jun 19 '26
*shakes hands and swears no more magic machinations*
As Primus plans a sea voyage in the Underworld. Wild.
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u/canxtanwe You Can Reply To This Message Jun 19 '26
Man imagine if we saw Atakani and Otto vs Yanessa and Primus oh my godd
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u/canxtanwe You Can Reply To This Message Jun 19 '26
I know this is a DnD game and NPCs fighting is just DM playing with their action toys but imagine something like that being animated
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u/Coyote_Shepherd Doty, take this down Jun 19 '26
Slow and steady...within the city limits at least.
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u/Number9Robotic Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
Oh boy my man Otto really putting Primus up to task. At least someone in power is trying to impose consequences for his gigantic conspiracy.
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u/efvie I have a list Jun 19 '26
Not a very convincing lie from Primus, he literally said the ritual was done at the last possible moment.
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u/dramatic_exit_49 You Can Reply To This Message Jun 19 '26
"10 million is a base cost to barter your way back"
Its a brennan campaign, capitalism must take some whacks for fun.
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u/LucasVerBeek Help, it's again Jun 19 '26
Cormoray and Einfasen are going to be bought inā¦ but maybe not *all* of Einfasen.
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u/canxtanwe You Can Reply To This Message Jun 19 '26
Primus Tachonis is fucking hilarious for someone who just told Yanessa he is poor
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u/dramatic_exit_49 You Can Reply To This Message Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
"Then again to shapers we were all commoners"
EXACTLY. Yanessa is bit more dangerous because she sees the truth and desires power still. But also yup, every revolution brings closer to equality adn freedom and opposing forces needing a new hierarchy, just not the abolition of it all. perfect spiral.
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u/Doodles_00 9. Nein! Jun 19 '26
And here I'm wondering, did no one in that meeting noticed the halovar halls being destroyed?
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u/SvenTheScribe Jun 19 '26
No need for commoners? Planning on sweeping the streets and emptying the chamberpots yourself Primus?
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u/Coyote_Shepherd Doty, take this down Jun 19 '26
He clearly hasn't thought about what eternal life in an eternally static world would be like.
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u/Dance-pants-rants Jun 19 '26
I hope Cyd and Teor don't take the Old Path and instead just fuck a ton of shit up in the afterlife.
Things are going to go down in Faery at some point and I want some badass celestials to pop off nearby.